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SS or Not SS This is the question???

Article about: Quite some time ago, I aquired the helmet in the pictures. Although I have my own oppinion on its authenticity both as a helmet and as an SS helmet. I would be very interested in hearing the

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    runes (wrong direction) and paint just pain horrid.
    Morris

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    Quote by KMMorris View Post
    runes (wrong direction) and paint just pain horrid.
    Morris
    Runes wrong direction , not sure what that means Morris ??
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    sorry my friends i mean design. (iPhone auto)
    Morris

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ID:	490805Hi all once again. Thank you for you your constructive opinions and information. To be quite honest I had no doubt in my mind that this was a repainted or sprayed shell for some fire service or other and that both decals were spurious. However, perhaps I was wrong. Following up on the suggestion that the party decal looked possibly right and that the SS decal was entirely wrong, I decided to have a play with the offending decal and following a very light and sensative clean with an abrasive. I know, you should never attack a tin hat with abrasives!! But what the hell, I came up with a nice Police decal complete with swastica. Please see photos. I could attack the helmet again and try to bring the police decal out a bit more but it would be a pitty to spoil it. Please, please, please don't tell me that the police decal is wrong!! With thanks once again to all.
    Regards and best wishes Michael R

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    It possible IMO it could've been an period ("field") conversion from police to ss. The fact it's police only adds to the possibility, once again, IMO. I am by far no expert, and not an helmet collector by any means, but do you have any photos of the ss decal better the cleaning?

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    Hi, Thank you for your imput and opinions. The general concensus is that the decal (SS) was wrong in any event. However, having served 30 years in the military, I have seen some pretty strange altereations to kit and badges so your opinions are probably quite justified had the decal been right to start with?
    Thank you once again and best wishes Michael R

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    Thank you sir. My thoughts are what if a soldier made the decal himself, just to explain my position a little more. By this I mean, the soldier took some white and black paint and created the decal himself after an transfer, etc. Just a thought and my opinion. As you said, there are some crazy alterations out there and I've seen some crazy examples in period tr photos.

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    Quote by youthcollector1 View Post
    It possible IMO it could've been an period ("field") conversion from police to ss. The fact it's police only adds to the possibility, once again, IMO. I am by far no expert, and not an helmet collector by any means, but do you have any photos of the ss decal better the cleaning?
    It was a real Police helmet. The SS decal was 1000% bad. There were C.A. Pocher SS decals abundantly available until the end of the war, so I wouldn't put any stock in the field converted theory. This was NEVER a reverse decal SS helmet. If it were mine, I would have someone with experience remove the balance of the bad decal and if the paint is bad, that as well. This one could be salvaged, but only if the decal is unearthed with care and suffers a minimum of damage in the endeavor. Just my 2 cents, which my wife tells me aren't worth a penny. Jim G.

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    Quote by helmet2id View Post
    For certain the runic decal is bad. The shell and the party shield may be period, but better pictures are needed. Reverse decal SS helmets did exist, but they were originally double decal Police helmets, and were re decaled with Pocher Runic decals affixed over the Police Eagle decals when they were transformed into SS helmets. The runic shield on the helmet that started this thread is not an original Pocher decal. This is a real one (it is an M35). Look closely at the Runic Shield and you will see the Police decal underneath. Jim G.
    I did not remember you had one of those helmets.
    Very nice.
    chris

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    Both decals are reproductions. Reverse runes/party decals were known to be used by foreign volunteers.

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