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Danziger stinker

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    This is as described.

    Can one of you tell me what is most damning about this object? Click image for larger version. 

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    damit, basta.

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    Doppelt.... I have not yanked all these badges off and photographed them, so you will have to bear with me.
    damit, basta.

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    Hello Mr Berthold I don't know to a certainty. But in an attempt to learn could it be that this particular skull variant predates the RZM code standard? Best regards.

    Brian

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ID:	715759Bravo, Brian. Well done. The Steinhauer und Lueck variant of the Danziger does have an RZM mark, but I have never seen the license number on such things.
    Usually these are unmarked. There is a Steinhauer und Lueck, Ges Gesch and RZM mark on certain ones, which I regard as quite real. These images are not of my badges, but from someone else, possibly
    from the wanton and madness site. We thank them for their civic mindedness in sharing such vital bits of the past.
    In the course of 1935, trade marks of most kinds were banned from contracted RZM items, to be replaced by the license numbers.
    The 2d form of Totenschaedel emerged in 1933, was visible among some at the 1933 Reichsparteitag, and was then introduced in early 1934.
    Wim Saris or Mr. Derek d'Alquen can tell us exactly.
    These facts notwithstanding, the Danziger was retained by some for years thereafter. Whether it was ever produced in the epoch
    with the M1 and a license number is something I greatly doubt, however.
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    damit, basta.

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ID:	715760The point being that the M1 mark eventuated from a reform of the RZM subsections that occurred in March, 1935.
    damit, basta.

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Size:  36.4 KBWhile there is no hard and fast rule, to be sure, by the middle of 1935, the 2d form of Totenschaedel had superseded the Danziger, more or less. That is not to assert that the earlier badge had disappeared.
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    damit, basta.

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    Good to know, F-B. Thanks!

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    Quote by seventyeighth View Post
    Good to know, F-B. Thanks!
    Thanks, this is a theory, and I hope I am right, but the small details and chronology are the key to defeat the opponent.

    Or, I am just enabling a better class of fake in the year 2015.....
    damit, basta.

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ID:	715801I have not pried these off, and do not intend to do so. You can buy them all, and do so, but I shall not.
    damit, basta.

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    This one is a known casting piece, with a total wrong maker. You see the "1001" casting flaws on this attachment.
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    Kind Regards,
    Sid

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