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Did they make SS skulls from Silver?

Article about: by d'alquen "but I do not believe it means "pure."" I apologise, I bow to your superior German knowledge, my dictionary must be wrong. rein; echt; schier; bar {adj}: pure

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    Here is the explanation of the retail table above. I neglected to post it. Here is also a very typical article on the cap industry as had in this astonishing periodical.

    As I wrote above, I shall presently find the article on Abzeichen Werkstoffe, but the first week back to work after the holiday had enough other issues that my enthusiasm for this project is less than it might be.

    And, without putting to fine a point on it, I asked some other people who post here to offer something of their experience in a visual and tabular way, as well. This request was seconded by that of the administrator, whom we esteem greatly.

    Sapere aude.
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    Here is the image of said article again as well as display at an industry and trade exhibition on the German cap industry/trade.


    The interesting thing about these articles is the role of the cap industry in exactly the years 1933/1936, when the German economy was recovering from the depression; rearmament had begun at a break neck clip; and the cap trade was compelled to manage political, social and economic change to its better---while upholding its essentially cartel principles as well as embrace Nazi ideology.

    As you know, cartels were the norm in Germany, i.e. free trade was corrupted by a division of the market among makers of such things as steel and chemicals. The cap trade had to grow rapidly, but to do so while still keeping control of same within a few hands; or, at least, while reorganizing according to the corporatist principles of national socialism, regulations through the RZM, and cyclical events in the demand for the product. I am not sure how the cap industry was organized in the DAF, but it surely was, and this process is also obvious here, too.

    The aspect that is also quite interesting, of course, is the need to impel conformity of a kind in the Nazi system and still deal with the needs of fashion and individual taste with items of uniform bought by soldiers or party members. I have posted other articles about this, but it is a constant theme here. By no means was this system some sort of rigid command and control one, as imagined by some of our hobbyists and amateurs. There was surely an apparatus to publish regulations, but the execution of same was not a given at all. Germany was not nearly as totalitarian as the History Channel or the popular literature on the SS would have you believe. Especially in these first years of the regime, it is true that Nazis in the clothing industry are attempting to reorganize same, but the impression from this journal is one of a high degree of indifference or resistance while they are raking in the dough with huge orders. And many of the figures here are Nazis, too, but they are not machines.

    Also, the abstracts of the RZM Mitteilungsblaetter published here do not have much about sanctions, punishments, although we know such happened. Someone should post some of these, though I think they have and I have it some where. The sanction consisted in this journal more of these typically German nattering articles about cap makers who diverge from the regulations. But diverging from the regulations had also been tolerated, or the enforcement of same had been delegated to troop units, where no one seems particularly to have cared.

    In fact, elsewhere, I include articles on the history of NOT following regulations and its cultural aspects, as in Zuckmayers the Hauptmann von Koepenick.

    There is more here than merely the stamp on the back of a.......'scull.'
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    ...or "crimped prongs."

    But do not remain in the dark, go buy one of these fine objects, i.e. CD from these nice Germans and help them to digitalize more primary sources, so we can all learn much more.

    PS This Ernst Hoffmann here was the head of the GA Hoffman firm in Berlin, I think.
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    Danke Friedrich fur den sehr Intressanten auskunft!

    Very informative pic's that we don't cross every day. Unless you can put your hand on very nice archives..

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    Quote by carlsson1982 View Post
    Danke Friedrich fur den sehr Intressanten auskunft!

    Very informative pic's that we don't cross every day. Unless you can put your hand on very nice archives..
    Please go buy the CD since you are in Europe and support these people so they make more nice CDs of things that are otherwise unreachable.

    I will find articles in badge and insignia making, but there are hundreds of them and I am suffocated in major assignments for my real job, which is not as interesting as this role.

    The kicker here is also the Deutsche Arbeitsfront and or other Nazi labor and industrial organization in which the uniform and regalia trade was organized. I should have looked this up in the OrgBuch d. NSDAP. Germany was and is a place where social and economic groups are organized in labor unions, but also in trade organizations, industrial organizations, Dachverbaende, in which social conflict and policy get ironed out. This has been a feature of life since the late 19th century. I spent a long time in graduate school learning German economic history, while I wanted to study soldiers, but the time paid off when I read these UM thingies.

    What I mean is that one could also find archives of the cap trade in the DAF files, if they exist, as well as hints to find the personal papers of some of these leading lights in the trade and industry.

    This search is complicated by the crimes of the regime, of course, since it is also a central truth that I am sure many of the Nazis whose names we see here got their start after 1933 or 1935 via the expropriation of assets from Jews who were chased out of Germany and their businesses were "aryanized." But I am also sure that there were other Nazi business figures who were merely political opportunists and made their way in the new system without necessarily engaging in ethnic theft and disenfranchisement.
    Such is a familiar story. The slave labor piece is also extant in wartime, but such is not obvious in this periodical.

    Our research is complicated by the fuss recently made about Hugo Boss, who was once an RZM vendor and got a lot of bad press. But such is not my aim here at all, of course. I want to know how the system worked, how it evolved, and how this helps us to understand the objects in front of us beyond old wives' tales and gossip from the SOS and MAX shows had within a little circle of people who are allergic to our work. Instead, they should lean forward in the fox hole and contribute here in an intercontinental effort with posts with material, sources, insights, and knowledge.

    All of this is interesting, isn't it and we just do not see it on the other sites, though I think the medals people have already begun to extract this stuff and deploy it.

    Happy reading.

    We also need a thread here identical to my RZM tag thread in which the chronological and major species of cap badges are listed. We won't doubt your work. We need a reference as a baseline so that all the other posters who are berserk about these things can go there and learn something. I am surely not interested in fights over "sculls." I promise to sell each one I own for just 98,650 USD and you can have a real cap with it, see!

    Please send me a PM. As Manion said: the high prices of today are the bargains of tomorrow.
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    For those of you ascribe super natural powers to cap badges, here is a wartime advert for one of the Werkstoffe.

    For what it is worth, in view of the trend that these cap badges suffocate all other reflection about SS regalia.
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    I note that no one here ever took up the common task with the cap badges, did they? I even went to Europe for more than a month so as to enable quiet and reflection here.

    We are thus the persons at the bottom of the graph, are we not?
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    No one wishes to share their knowledge, then?
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    I suppose those in the know wish to retain such knowledge without its dispersal to the wider firmament. I hardly wish to encourage any more of these dorky "scull" threads, but a compendium or tutorial on said items would be helpful and Adrian made the request.
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    Unfortunately I have no knowledge to add about the subject, but I find the articles posted by Friedrich most interesting! They really add a whole new perspective to things.

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