SS skull RZM M1/52 and Eagle

**athomas** · 05-13-2018, 03:27 PM

Hi all,

I’m posting some of the things I currently bought from a collector. One of which is this visor skull, marked rzm m1/52 and a visor eagle. I can barely make out the rzm logo, just under the right pin on wing. Just wanted to get opinions from some of the members here. Fake or original?

Thanks in advance,
Thomas

P.S.
Sorry the pictures are sideways. Can’t figure out how to get them right side up.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 05-13-2018 03:27 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:34 PM

You want badges that look like this, not yours, which I am sad to write are fake. I would get your money back.

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One of these caps is not mine, I cadged a picture from another member.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:36 PM

Thanks also for putting the items on a wooden background, versus dirty, sweaty hands.

**athomas** · 05-13-2018, 03:37 PM

Gotcha. What should I look for on the backside? I thought the skull would be original. I definitely had my doubts about the eagle.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:40 PM

Some other images.

**real steel** · 05-13-2018, 03:41 PM

Flipped them & enlarged for you even though they are deemed fake. Might help you or someone else in the future

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:42 PM

by athomas

Gotcha. What should I look for on the backside? I thought the skull would be original. I definitely had my doubts about the eagle.

We have endless pictures of these. Please look at the threads. The reverse of the Deschler badge is a cosmos of confusion.

The badges in post numero 1 have a very cheapo finish, that screams they are not eighty years old, and the worksmanship is way below what the Deschler artisans did,
especially with the badges for the black cap. You can see mine. I do not pry them off to show the backs.

Go to John Telesmanich's War Booty Website, and he has a dictionary of reverse badges in very nice images.

We also have a dictionary here, but you have to work at it.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:48 PM

Deschler.

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The loose insignia are mine, the caps with insignia are....

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:53 PM

The markings on the Deschler badge evolved, and the M1 designation took hold in early 1935.

The badge was or was not introduced in 1933 in prototype and then in force ca. whenever in 1934.

The badge was in alu for the grey cap, ca. 1936. The neusilber finish badge was intended for the black cap, but....

PS Here is my loose Deschler courtesy of one our fine members.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 05-13-2018, 03:54 PM

I will not write about the splints, because I am seized by nausea when I do so, since in twenty years I have read so many posts on "prongs" as to wretch.

The member here gets full credit for sparing us the sight of dirty hands. We had one example recently that I did not save, but it was surely the worst in five years.