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Thoughts on this cap eagle and Totenkopf?

Article about: For sale on a dealer's site, supposedly found in the Ukraine. Eagle is marked RZM M1/8 and the skull RZM M1/52. What do you gents think?

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    For sale on a dealer's site, supposedly found in the Ukraine. Eagle is marked RZM M1/8 and the skull RZM M1/52.

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    What do you gents think?

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    I think these are ok but wait for those with a much greater knowledge than me to give you the go ahead, I could be completely wrong.

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    look ok to me too.

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    Sorry guys , but both are reproductions .
    The chest feather pattern on the Wagner eagle is the best clue here , plus mistakes on reverse .
    The Deschler is an adapted " moustache " fake .
    These would have best stayed in the Ukrain ..

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    This is how the chest feathers should look ;
    Original M1/8 eagle , with an early Deschler for matching patina ..
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    Reverse shows the rims around the oval feet that this type should have ..
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    Very useful and pleasing images. Thanks.
    damit, basta.

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    Another Wagner eagle with one replaced "stint" for comparison.
    Ralph.
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    Quote by Winkelman View Post
    Sorry guys , but both are reproductions .
    The chest feather pattern on the Wagner eagle is the best clue here , plus mistakes on reverse .
    The Deschler is an adapted " moustache " fake .
    These would have best stayed in the Ukrain ..
    Wow, thanks for the info mate, I really thought these two looked good! This is why I'd always run an item by the forum before I parted with cash, great stuff boys.

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    Quote by Winkelman View Post
    Sorry guys , but both are reproductions .
    The chest feather pattern on the Wagner eagle is the best clue here , plus mistakes on reverse .
    The Deschler is an adapted " moustache " fake .
    These would have best stayed in the Ukrain ..
    Thanks for the comments and pics, but can you clarify what you mean by "moustache"?

    I did think the top "lip" of the skull wasn't as well defined as original examples, but other than that I thought this looked OK

    Do you think these are cast as opposed to stamped?

    Thanks for the insight

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