Thoughts on this cap eagle and Totenkopf?

[Mickthemonk]

For sale on a dealer's site, supposedly found in the Ukraine. Eagle is marked RZM M1/8 and the skull RZM M1/52.





What do you gents think?

[sandgroper]

I think these are ok but wait for those with a much greater knowledge than me to give you the go ahead, I could be completely wrong.

[harryamb2]

look ok to me too.

[Winkelman]

Sorry guys , but both are reproductions .
The chest feather pattern on the Wagner eagle is the best clue here , plus mistakes on reverse .
The Deschler is an adapted " moustache " fake .
These would have best stayed in the Ukrain ..

[Winkelman]

This is how the chest feathers should look ;
Original M1/8 eagle , with an early Deschler for matching patina ..

[Winkelman]

Reverse shows the rims around the oval feet that this type should have ..

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Very useful and pleasing images. Thanks.

[rbminis]

Another Wagner eagle with one replaced "stint" for comparison.
Ralph.

[sandgroper]

Sorry guys , but both are reproductions .
The chest feather pattern on the Wagner eagle is the best clue here , plus mistakes on reverse .
The Deschler is an adapted " moustache " fake .
These would have best stayed in the Ukrain ..

Wow, thanks for the info mate, I really thought these two looked good! This is why I'd always run an item by the forum before I parted with cash, great stuff boys.

[Mickthemonk]

Sorry guys , but both are reproductions .
The chest feather pattern on the Wagner eagle is the best clue here , plus mistakes on reverse .
The Deschler is an adapted " moustache " fake .
These would have best stayed in the Ukrain ..

Thanks for the comments and pics, but can you clarify what you mean by "moustache"?

I did think the top "lip" of the skull wasn't as well defined as original examples, but other than that I thought this looked OK

Do you think these are cast as opposed to stamped?

Thanks for the insight