Allgemiene SS NCO Visor for Analysis

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 02:35 AM

An officer's Sonderanfertigung cap of very early make from Hamburg.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 06-05-2010 02:35 AM

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**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 02:37 AM

Its "scull".....for you "scull" persons.

I did not pry it off knowing what tragedy would ensue.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 02:41 AM

Here is the RZM tag in the cap at the head of this thread. This species of black tag is faked, of course, as are most of these tags to be sure. I did not examine this piece other than in photographs.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 02:50 AM

A not dissimilar tag in a cap of similar date of make.

This cap here was the property of an SSTV officer. It was mistakenly sold as the property of an Allgem. SS officer.

The devil is in the detail with these things, is it not?

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 03:33 AM

Allgemeine is a word frequently misspelled here.

Here is an example of my fine photography before I gave up on my camera. You can see why.

This is a Wille Sonderanfertigung.

It has a non SS chin strap, but is a wonderful piece which I first bought in the middle 1970s and was able to secure again a few years ago.

The cap is dated 1937.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 03:35 AM

Its interior is similar to this piece of Robert H, whom we do not see here anymore.

**Tricot** · 06-05-2010, 05:14 AM

What I may have learned: Sonderanfertigung visors were made by several hatters, including Wille and Mueller. These visors are a premium version of the dienstmütze.

The orange cloth version is of lesser quality and is an "issue" item.

Some questions: were the sonderanfertigung visors sold through private retailers, or ordered through a local SS quartermaster (both I imagine.)

How does the kleiderkasse system relate to all this?

Why do SS visors lack manufacturer logos in the sweat diamonds?

Are all officer grade sonderanfertigungen lined with black rayon versus the white rayon of the NCO visors.

Are the answers in the Uniformen Markt CDs?

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 05:41 AM

by Tricot

What I may have learned: Sonderanfertigung visors were made by several hatters, including Wille and Mueller. These visors are a premium version of the dienstmütze.

The orange cloth version is of lesser quality and is an "issue" item.

The orange cotton was the normal wear purchased either from a brauner Laden, or from the RZM or acquired via the VA SS with party funds and issued. In the main, though, these caps were purchased by the SS man. Military caps were issued, with the caveat of those SS units with paramilitary character, i.e. SSVT. But the person still could buy an extra cap at his own expense.

Some questions: were the sonderanfertigung visors sold through private retailers, or ordered through a local SS quartermaster (both I imagine.) These were sold by the Kleiderkasse SS, but were also for sale in the braune Laden, as in the images I posted elsewhere.

How does the kleiderkasse system relate to all this? See my posts on the Kleiderkasse system. I do not have the energy or time to repeat same here.

Why do SS visors lack manufacturer logos in the sweat diamonds? From 1935 onwards, private logos were generally forbidden by order of Hitler, who did not want to further commercialize regalia, though the NSDAP did show some favoritism in its contracting. But private logos were forbidden, see the Herstellungsvorschriften der RZM. Such logos are nonetheless sometimes found all the same. After the middle of 1941, SS caps were made outside of such stringent controls once more. Cf. Mollo.

Are all officer grade sonderanfertigungen lined with black rayon versus the white rayon of the NCO visors. Officer Sonderanfertigung caps are as I have illustrated them. The normal officers' cap generally has a black lining, but there are exceptions.

Are the answers in the Uniformen Markt CDs?

Nope. There is very, very litte about the SS in Uniformen Markt. What I write here is the distillate of 44 years of experience and some empirical observations of some pieces, which are surely not all that exist nor do they comprise even remotely the full range of realities.

Happy regalia.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 05:44 AM

A Mueller cap with the logo ca. 1935/6. This cap is in the Wilkins book. This kind of Mueller logo is also faked, but this cap is quite real, in fact.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 06-05-2010, 05:47 AM

08/15 officer's cap ca. 1938/39 also made by Mueller in Munich.

This is NOT a Sonderanfertigung cap.

Others would call it "textbook," but not I.

You will also not find such information as this on the lord of the flies site, either.