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Allgemiene SS NCO Visor for Analysis

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    Different angle.
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    Back to Tricot:

    Yes, EM visor:
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    And the tag on the Sonderanfertigung:
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    Here is another version of the Stirndrueckfrei Aufschrift of an early date. Bruce the frog's cap is of late make. I have a similar cap with similar runics on the cello shield as Mr. Bruce's. Thanks to my valued colleagues for their kind additions. My colleague in Texas has a marvelous Stammabteilung uniform to treasure, and this last gasp Mueller cap lined with the NSDAP rayon is also an object of interest. I think that many of these latter types survived the war somehow to make their way into our collections. The Stammabteilung tunic and its caps is a real treasure to behold and should make its owner very proud indeed.

    The uninformed collector has no knowledge of Eigentumsmuetze variation of the SS enlisted/NCO cap, and on other sites is prone to dismiss all the things we have shown here as fakes and fraud.

    How sad for them and how sad, too, for those who are inclined to follow their misinformed guidance.

    The RZM manufacturing guidelines of 1936 prescribe a forehead pressure free feature to most peaked caps, but one wrongly assumes that the Robert Lubstein firm was the sole vendor of such an item. It was manifestly not, though in many cases the means of cushioning was, as indicated here, a rubber pad.


    Happy headwear and may your forehead endure as little pressure as feasible in this 21st century full of head aches.
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    Another officer's cap in the Sonderanfertigung type also from Mueller/Muenchen. This cap was in the Manion's price compendium of 20 years ago and recently sold with the addition of a sweat band by a well known dealer. A handsome cap, even with the amendment to it.
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    Another example with patina, of earlier make by the same firm, recently sold in the western USA. Many of these are from this firm.

    I assign no particular meaning to this fact, save that the Fa. Mueller were collocated with the RZM and the SS leadership in the Bavarian Metropole and likely secured said contracts through privilege and party connections, or SS connections, surely.

    All we are doing here, of course, is making certain that the fakes will be better and the beginner will be more confused, but such is the nature of the internet age.

    Of course, in real life, fakers cannot duplicate an original cap in all its details, especially this kind of cap. It is simply too complicated if one is familiar with the leading traits of an original.

    Forehead pressure be damned.

    The army eagle on this cap has a certain poetry to it, since the introduction of this insignia in 1935 was then aped (as is typical) by LAH people and led Hitler and Himmler to the insight that they should design a new insignia for the SS cap, which was undertaken in the course of mid to late 1935. See the threads on this point, and the intervention of Derek C. on this account. For this reason, this particular cap here is interesting, though a collector with pedestrian taste would not know the fact I interpret above.
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    The personal wear cap existed from at least 1934 onwards. This extract of the price list is courtesy Derek C. According to the Wim Saris book, though, the officer's variety of said cap was phased out two years later.
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    An early SS officer's cap of unknown date with leather peak, ca. 1933. This piece is still present on the Whamond site. It is the only one I have personally examined in 44 years of collecting. It was the property of an SS officer in the Lower Saxon city of Braunschweig, a place with its own special history for national socialism and the SS.

    Once more, this kind of knowledge is not found on other sites with their special social pathologies which have greatly harmed all of us who have invested treasure and time in this regalia.

    This cap has silver wire cords versus the later alu. variety.

    Neither of these images of said Lower Saxon SS leader, but are included for purposes of illustration.
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    Gentlemen I have learned more from this thread than many other threads combined.

    The recap:

    Eigentumsmuetze refers to the private purchase visors of such makers as August Mueller of Munich, Clemens Wagner of Braunsweig, and other makers.

    Eigentumsmuetze loosely translates as "ownership cap" which is kin to the term "private purchase" of course this makes me ask if the issue caps were SS property and to be returned to the depot.

    Some of these Eigentumuetzen were equipped with Pekuro's patented stirndukfrei sweatband system to comfort the weary heads of watch standers.

    In 1935 (correct me if I'm wrong) no less than Hitler ordered that private makers labels not be placed on NSDAP uniform items. A nod to the power of the uniform and the corrupting influence of private branding.

    Questions:

    1. Would the deinstmützen sold through an SS Kleiderkasse be of the private purchase variety (champagne/black lined) or of the more plebeian orange oilcloth liner? Or both?

    2. Regarding the Braune Laeden, these are RZM licensed distributers of uniform items. Did they carry SS items or strictly HJ/NSDAP/NSKK/ETCETERA items.

    3. Esteemed colleague F-B mentioned a last ditch cap with NSDAP type lining. May I assume this belongs to a Waffen SS grey visor as the schwartz variety were phased out long before the last ditch was reached?

    Apologies in advance for what must be a tedious retread of the vagaries of German cap sellers.

    It would be interesting to see some "Mitteilungsblatt der RZM." I understand examples are out there.

    Let's hire a research assistant to collate the valuable research scattered across this website into a nice little pamphlet to facilitate the lives of neophyte collectors and, sadly, the vile faking community.

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    I cannot answer all of this today. Do read my Muetzenfabrik thread which is several months old, that is, from the turn of the year or so.

    Eigentumsmuetze is the same as Extramuetze, i.e. the cap bought by the soldier or SA/SS man for extra wear.

    I am not sure a research assistant would know what they were looking at, in fact--see attachment here. Such requires a pretty high familiarity with the sources which, if the internet is any guide, is had by very few persons on this planet. Wim Saris has already done most of the work, so the key is to ask him to weigh in here.

    I actually think the pathologies worked by the leading internet sites mean that we are farther away from knowing more via the dominant superficiality and instant gratification syndromes that generally operate here, i.e. the "scull" threads. The truth here is made of many, many little and seemingly contradictory pieces, which are not self evident in their meaning. It is good, Mr. Tricot, that you pose questions, since this material is far from self evident. It has taken me the better part of 44 years to learn all of this and a lot of its guess work of a frustrating kind with very incomplete evidence.

    I can answer some of these queries later in the week, when my other duties do not weigh on me. Or the others here can contribute.
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