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August 13 1933 10,000 SS men

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    No I thank you F-B for your attention and insight. Your insistence on scholarship over gun show gossip is why I continue to return to this site rather than others.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    I can't get over how short a man in stature Sepp Diettrich was! That is him on the second photo down to the right of Himmler as we look at it, isn't it?

    Regards, Ned.
    I think he has just stepped in a depression in the ground. If not then yes he is diminutive!

    Nick
    "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    I can't get over how short a man in stature Sepp Diettrich was! That is him on the second photo down to the right of Himmler as we look at it, isn't it?

    Regards, Ned.
    He was commander of SS Gruppe Ost, I believe, in addition to his role with the proto LAH which was in its infancy at said moment in 1933. He did have an attractive wife at a later date, all the same....Name:  Dietrich with caps.jpg
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    damit, basta.

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    Quote by jHAM View Post
    No I thank you F-B for your attention and insight. Your insistence on scholarship over gun show gossip is why I continue to return to this site rather than others.Click image for larger version. 

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    Danke vielmals, indeed. I am not sure the scholarship piece really works, but the "gun show gossip" thingy is truly of little use if one is serious about this regalia and beating the fakers.
    Thanks for the images of the poor little bunnies done in by Oswald Pohl for socks and the like.

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    damit, basta.

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    Quote by wewelsburgss View Post
    The cook with SS visor in pic one does not seem to be wearing a typical SS shoulderboard,looks like a LAH one with embroidered cypher from a later year?Could he be a Wehrmacht man wearing his fellow SS man's cap behind him?
    The picture is not too clear, but to me it appears that he is wearing military-style double collar Litzen, so he could be from the Reichswehr indeed. The mood in the photograph is casual and relaxed, so there may have been some "horsing around" going on.

    Quote by big ned View Post
    I can't get over how short a man in stature Sepp Diettrich was! That is him on the second photo down to the right of Himmler as we look at it, isn't it?
    Right, it's Sepp Dietrich. Yes; he was somewhat vertically challenged compared to most of the men under his command, at least in the pre-war LSSAH days. Dietrich was 170 centimeters (ca. five feet seven inches) tall.

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    Quote by Friedrich-Berthold View Post
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    Hmmm....Not bad I suppose. I take it you mean his second wife Ursula Moninger-Brenner, the ex-wife of one of his close friends in the SS.

    If you squint, she has something of the 'Jackie Kennedy's' about her and was probably similarly regarded at the time...

    Regards Ned.
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    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    It does seem as if the man has a Rw blouse on with a black SS peaked cap at the Gulaschkanone. That is remarkable, since in August 1933 the relations between the two were not too great, save, I guess, those Stabswache or LAH people who were already trained by the Rw. Overall, the party-Rw relations were conflicted.
    But the Stabswache/LAH was also trained by soldiers, as I recall. Who knows? Maybe my colleague HPL has his LAH histories more at hand. If these are just 08/15 Allgemeine SS people, then such a mixture of uniform is all the more noteworthy.Name:  HG-46d.jpg
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    damit, basta.

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    Hmmm....Not bad I suppose. I take it you mean his second wife Ursula Moninger-Brenner, the ex-wife of one of his close friends in the SS.

    If you squint, she has something of the 'Jackie Kennedy's' about her and was probably similarly regarded at the time...

    Regards Ned.

    Dear Sir, thanks. These were the images I had in mind. I like your cartoon characters, too---a nice touch for our Gruselkabinett.
    Dietrich in 1942 has lost some of his youthful charm of the era of the Machtergreifung.
    The BA has done us a great favor by making their pictures so easy to see.
    Thanks and happy digital collages to all.
    damit, basta.

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    If you squint, she has something of the 'Jackie Kennedy's' about her and was probably similarly regarded at the time...

    Regards Ned.



    Jeez Ned, Poor Jackie is probably spinning in her grave! (Come to think of it, she does kinda bear a sorta resemblance!) Cheers, Jim G.

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    Quote by Friedrich-Berthold View Post
    But the Stabswache/LAH was also trained by soldiers, as I recall. Who knows? Maybe my colleague HPL has his LAH histories more at hand.Name:  HG-46d.jpg
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    I've had a look:

    The 1933 chapter of Cook & Bender's "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler. Uniforms, Organization & History" (Bender Publishing, 1st edition 1994) does indeed mention the Reichswehr providing training to the units that would soon make up the LSSAH.

    in the section on SS-Sonderkommando Zossen, mention is made that...

    "Many of the new unit's instructors were drawn from the army and police forming the cadre of the three training companies [...] under three police NCOs [...]."

    The following section on SS-Sonderkommando Jüterbog starts with:

    "Another training unit for full-time SS personnel was established on 8 July 1933 north of Berlin at the army maneuver area (Reichswehr Truppenübungsplatz) Jüterbog. Command was given to Hauptmann Becker, commander of the Army's 14th Company of the 9th (Prussian) Infantry Regiment, and the unit's 1st, 2nd and 3rd Training Companies (1., 2. und 3. Lehrsturm) were led by Oberleutnant von Haeften, von Schenkendorf and Naude.
    That army, rather than SS officers, should have held the key posts in SS-Sonderkommando Jüterbog (and most of the other training staff there also came from the army) requires comment
    ."

    It goes on to say that the reasons were (for the SS) the lack of qualified personnel to undertake the training and (for the Reichswehr) a chance to circumvent the treaty of Versailles and that the task of training the SS recruits mainly fell upon the 8th and 9th Prussian Infantry Regiments.

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