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Butschek Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.

Article about: by Friedrich-Berthold Attachment 699582Attachment 699566Is this the head of the Austrian Legion and or SS Sammelstelle? Rodenbuecher? Post 13: Yes, the photo left was included in volume 4 fr

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    Quote by Friedrich-Berthold View Post
    Attachment 699582Attachment 699566Is this the head of the Austrian Legion and or SS Sammelstelle? Rodenbuecher?
    Post 13: Yes, the photo left was included in volume 4 from the headgear-series page 16 and came
    from the old collection from my old friend Jost W. Schneider.

    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.


    Over 30 years ago I have made a note about "Donau". Pitily I did not make a note where I had found it.
    The members from Oberabschnitt "Donau" were allowed to wear a cuffband after June 19, 1934. The band
    however was worn for a short moment only. In August 1934 the cuffband must have been withdrawn, when
    the NSDAP from Austria was moved to Munich.

    At a specific moment - about 1934 - this type of lettering as for the "Donau"-cuffband was quite common.
    See some samples from photographs in my files, supplied by friends.

    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest. Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.

    SS-Mann Otto Baum (Jost W.Schneider)

    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest. Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.

    unknown (Laurens Hessels)

    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest. Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.

    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.

    Note the type of "Umlaut". I forgot the name of the guy, but it was a Gunther
    anyway (Delich)
    Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 06-12-2014 at 08:41 AM.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Thank you Mr. d'alquen and Mr. Wim for the nice images.

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    You're welcome! When I can help so now and then with material that pleases the members from this forum,
    then it is okay for me as it pleases me as well. We all are there to help, isn't?

    And for the future, please say just Wim (this goes for all of you guys). Mr. Wim makes me feel soooooo aged!
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Thank you, Wim, for the fine additional material and your decades of research and analysis. Your time to share your research with us is precious and we salute you.
    damit, basta.

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    Other photographs would suggest that the title was worn when the Oberabschnitt was situated in Munich. It is difficult to to say for how long it was worn. There is a lot of correspondance about Austrian insignia so there may be an answer somewhere.
    After the Anschluss in 1938 there was a very brief period after it returned to Vienna when the Oberabschnitte was called 'OA Oesterreich" and a new cufftitle was announced in June of that year. But almost immediately the name was changed back to Donau and by the Autumn the listing (1045) was given over to the Donau title.
    The listing of the new item in June:
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    The revised listing:
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    Thanks for the further items of notable interest. At the risk of repeating myself, the Rothlaender book also briefly describes the SS in Austria after 1938, as well as in exile in the era 1933-1938.
    damit, basta.

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    In the "Mitteilungsblatt der Reichszeugmeisterei", nr. 3 from June 16, 1934
    one started with the most important orders in relation to the SS-uniforms,
    according orders from the RFSS from March 23, 1934.
    In nr. 4 from June 23, 1934 this was continued. With page 6 the cuffband for the
    SS-Oberabschnitt "Donau" was included (see image). While there was a lot
    of misunderstanding further the order from May 5, 1934 about the Politische
    Bereitschaften
    was included, as well as notes about the SS special forces. For
    Austrian SS members it meant that no insignia was to be worn with the right collar
    patch.

    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.

    When SS price-list 1 was published in the Mbl.d.RZM, nr. 29 from December 15,
    1934 a cuffband with "Donau" was not included anymore. With an order from
    Himmler (Chef des SS-Amtes I O Nr. 08281 K./E.) from October 24, 1934 an
    "insignia" re-organization was started.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    To add to Wim's RZM mention of the Donau title in June 1934 it would appear from personnel files that the Oberabschnitt Donau was dissolved as of November 1934. (So the cuffband was in place for about 5 months.) After November SS-Sammelstelle appears in the SS-Befehlsblatter where Donau was previously listed.
    d'Alquen

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    Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.David Delich includes this item as a contribution to the debate. and this, as well. Butschek  Austrian Legion photo album of noteworthy interest.
    Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 06-15-2014 at 12:33 AM.
    damit, basta.

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