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    Here is another Fake SS pin with two skrews in the back not marked and without the hole in the nose, right?
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    I don't think that horrible fake would fool anyone.

    Bob Hritz

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    I don't think that horrible fake would fool anyone.

    Bob Hritz
    Agree....
    and I hope it won't fool anybody

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    well most important is that you have the original one, right

    on what do you base that this is fake?

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    nothing left to say
    Last edited by ado; 05-15-2010 at 02:25 AM.

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    Quote by ado View Post
    i see you don't won't to answer so i'll answer for you.

    on earlier post you said that on original one nose does not have a hole i don't see hole on mine (and you protect yours from fakers, buu-huu-hoo)
    original one has the two screws on the back attached to plate which is marked 21 and has red eyes no pin on the back

    i am new to this field but i am noticing that there are a lot of those who sit behind the PC and are probably 100 years old because they know everything about these items like they have lived in that period, well gentlemen you are in the wrong collection field as you are driven by greed and jealousy go and collect oil cans or coins...so much for Honour is my Loyalty.
    Of course I have an original. I have nothing to be jealous over and I would not think I am greedy. I just have no need to assist the fakers in illustrating things they do not yet know. I am sorry that you are upset because I have been a very successful collector. I was wondering if anyone still collected original SS items, from the trash I have seen posted.

    I have tried to help by posting originals, but apparantly those posts go unheeded.

    Ado, perhaps you should petetion the administration to become Moderator. Your vast knowledge should be shared.

    Bob Hritz
    Last edited by Bob Hritz; 05-15-2010 at 03:05 AM.

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    Perhaps you may find this original example enlightening.

    Bob Hritz
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    Quote by Bob Hritz View Post
    Perhaps you may find this original example enlightening.

    Bob Hritz
    Careful, Bob !

    You may be hoodwinked into revealing the backside of this pin,
    or some others, and not showing it is something I'm in
    agreement with you on........

    Genuine pieces like this are beyond most collectors,
    including myself.........at first thinking them to be
    fantasy items, every one I'd seen up until now
    all looked very bad.






    Regards, Steve.

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    Re: "Fake SS Pin". I collected German Military Artifacts in the 1960s, 70 & 80s. I acquired my collection by writing to the German vets/vets families. I have run across a badge of this type on three occasions. In all three examples they were much better quality than the one displayed. The first was on the SS Evening Dress uniform of Reichsaussenminister (& SS Gruppenfuhrer, at the time) Joachim von Ribbentrop I acquired from Col. Howard Goldsmith along with other uniforms, medals, etc. in about 1966. It has holes for both of the eyes but no piercing for the nose. I am unaware as to how it was attached as I was a firm believer in neither removing original insignia or replacing it. As I said I was, and continue to be a "pure" historian and believe in leaving things the way I got them rather than creating what I believe they were. History to me was and continues to be the primary goal. This is not a criticism of other collectors. I understand I am in the minority for not choosing to alter items as I receive them especially with "high end" GMF, Generals, Admirals, etc. where the owner's name adds significant value to each and every component of the item itself. The desire to refurbish an item as long as it original and based on photographic evidence or obvious common sense is perfectly acceptable where name attribution is not involved. Back to SS Evening Dress uniform accoutrements, I recently viewed an SS Obergruppenfuhrer's Evening Dress tunic attributed to eventual SS Obergruppenfuhrer Werner Lorenz (head of VOMI). My Ribbentrop uniform badge had red cloth between the badge and the holes for the eyes. The Lorenz tunic does not, but I believe originally they all had the red cloth underlay showing through the pierced eyeholes. The example I viewed at a Gun Show in Royal Oak, Michigan, again in the 1960s had two screwposts/round nuts, one at each end of the banner. I believe this was standard fitment as the badge was secured very closely to the uniform breast and a pin attachment would not have presented this high quality appearance. I doubt prongs would have been used as this uniform was made from the finest materials and am sure they must have been two eyelets sewn in to the coat for the screwpost/nut attachment. Thanks for the opportunity to share information from one of the greatest looking uniforms I encountered during my collecting years and good luck with your endeavors. Please understand they are my feelings and don't take offense if my collecting criteria differs from yours. As I said before I am a perfectionist. It is a great hobby with great historical significance. Thank you.

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    Hi guys,
    for those of you who like nice crisp pictures of this great item, just check kai winkler's site. 23 pics of front and back. 14.500 euros!
    Cheers,
    Pieter

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