Yes indeed, the charts are a great help - Thanks. It becomes all the more obvious to me how befuddling it can be to attempt to make explanation for the task of the Reichsfuehrung SS more transparent and elementary . . .
In effort to further elucidate, and instill additional luminosity for those of the layman genus here, I found this about the organization from previous discussion elsewhere:
The Reichsführung-SS consisted of all SS-officers assigned to Himmler's personal staff, as such recognizable by the RFSS cuffband or the all-white one. If we equal the Reichsfuhrung-SS to Himmler in person, then the whole SS empire was under his command, of course. Its main offices were:
- Hauptamt SS-Gericht
- Dienststelle Heissmeyer
- Hauptamt Orpo
Really quite simple after all - wouldn't you agree?
Something still troubles me about the idea of such a nice quality band placed on such a low rank of uniform . . . without a doubt, it is the ingrained thought that EM quality bands belong on EM grade uniforms, and Officer quality bands belong on Officer grade uniforms . . . which, in this case, as everyone seems to agree, would not be so simple to say. Taking into account what I have previously mentioned, would it be possible that an enlisted man could be entitled to wear such a band? Certainly this organization was not limited to only Officers, and it would not be out of the ordinary to see an enlisted man bearing the title . . .
I have seen sufficient examples of lower rank uniforms with showy insignia if the uniform was for walking out, i.e. Class A.
I also think the cuff title was only made in alu wire by the time this one was issued. The Allgem. SS had phased out the silken or cotton thread cuff titles by 1938 or so.
The RFSS comprised more or less the upper echelons of this chart.
Also, if you carefully read the rank lists, there were a large number of officers loosely associated with the RFSS who were in part time billets, and surely there were some enlisted personnel for their care and feeding, too. That is, office people, drivers, orderlies, and such persons in their number, which could be quite large in Nazi organizations.
As a person with four decades in military life, I know how many additional people go along with persons of rank, although such headquarters and staffs were smaller in the era, but, then again, might well have had additional personnel not had in a NATO army.
I think the newly found Montur is picco bello and all the badges make fine sense to me, in fact, but to each his own.
The person who has received so much attention, much of which has added to the value of his property, also owes some of us a couple of words of thanks, too.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 12-29-2012 at 09:59 PM.
This collar patch of grey thread was replaced in mid 1937 by the alu variety of a trend towards same in the Allgem. SS. Which is to say, there was a trend to make the insignia more showy, which collided, of course, with war time. But I can well imagine a person serving on a staff having the desire to have a nice uniform, even as drab as this war time one, and also thus having access to insignia that others did not, or re using his good insignia from another uniform. This all makes perfect sense to me, at least, but others can come to a different conclusion.
The extra cap, for instance, the one from a hatter or hat factory, was a normal consumer item aimed at all ranks, and its cost was, contrary to what some think, hardly as costly as Wilkins imagines.
The goal of said cap was to give the soldier something special within his means. I can imagine that the nicer cuff title was similar in the cosmos of a person here who was a junior NCO.
Its because of knowing Gents like Mr. Chilton--is one of the big reasons why I never listen to only one ""experts"" opinion. I told him about the person here and I cant print the words he used or I would be banned from the site. :-))