grey SS cap ca. 1938/9

[Thanatos]

How quickly you forget, FB . . . "we people", rely on you for this kind of information . . . and I find it sad to say, every so often, respect for your efforts seem to be haphazardly overlooked in a very few situations. Keep up the good work - you are a genuine treasure to those of us that desire a deeper examination of that which we all enjoy and come here to pursue.

I second that,you are certainly a treasure FB.
I greatly enjoy reading your posts and your informitive insights.
A priceless treasure to be certain.
Thanks FB for everything.
Dave

[Friedrich-Berthold]

This image of the Hoheitszeichen is not mine, mind you. It illustrates
that the pins on these things are fragile over the decades.[/QUOTE]
You are most welcome. I try to share what I have got for the betterment of some and maybe many....


All the more reason not to monkey with them.........!

Extremely nice, FB. Thanks for posting it ![/QUOTE]

[Friedrich-Berthold]

How quickly you forget, FB . . . "we people", rely on you for this kind of information . . . and I find it sad to say, every so often, respect for your efforts seem to be haphazardly overlooked in a very few situations. Keep up the good work - you are a genuine treasure to those of us that desire a deeper examination of that which we all enjoy and come here to pursue.

Thanks so much colleague, you are far too kind. But there is a lot I do not know, and I am dependent on others to unearth yet more. We have only skimmed the surface. Once more, my warm thanks to you and may all these things benefit those who are interested in Uniformkunde. Sorry that I am bad photographer. Bruce Herman is a good one, to be sure.

[BenVK]

A wonderful addition to your collection FB!

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Thank you, Ben, but my cap is not actually the field grey of these potentates. It is much more grey grey.....I wish I could photograph it properly. It is from about 1938 or so....that is a nice image of Wolf and the others, v. Ribbentrop and Hewel. One day you will have to inspect same.

[GeneralAlterregalia]

Thank you, Ben, but my cap is not actually the field grey of these potentates. It is much more grey grey.....I wish I could photograph it properly. It is from about 1938 or so....that is a nice image of Wolf and the others, v. Ribbentrop and Hewel. One day you will have to inspect same.

Would it be a match for a so-called 'dove grey' SS uniform or would you qualify it as closer to steingrau? After looking carefully at your pic it looks like some steingrau (stone grey) trikot to me. VERY nice specimen no matter what!

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Would it be a match for a so-called 'dove grey' SS uniform or would you qualify it as closer to steingrau? After looking carefully at your pic it looks like some steingrau (stone grey) trikot to me. VERY nice specimen no matter what!

The cap does have a faint, very faint green , but not the blue cheese green (see here in the HH picture in Warschau) that one associates with the pre war field grey as in Ben's image. Nor is the cap Steingrau or Neugrau. I know exactly what these are from my samples book. Thanks. It will remain a riddle in an enigma. The Shea Beaver book has no cap like it. Thanks for the kind words. Many unknown unknowns in all of this.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Of course, there is no single shade of field grey, even at the time. The book I enclose on the pre 1918 uniforms, see here, makes the point that the creation of the color in textiles was problematic, and prone to wide variation. And without it, we would have nothing to do at all.
The endless unknown unknowns keep us from productive pursuits at truck pulls and watching extreme fighting.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

This cap does resemble the pre war field grey, and differs a lot from its companion that recently arrived.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

My cloth book is enough to drive you nuts with its shades of blue, black, field grey, police grey, etc.


und siehe da! in the RZM book there hundreds of such cloth makers....

ergo my skepticism of those who posit a standardization, even though the RZM endeavored to do the same.