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03-01-2013 06:07 AM
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
Mr. d'Alquen is the man to tell us, as he has deepened himself most in such SSTV regalia.
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
One more:
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
And this one from the MFF site:
If I were to own a Stammabteilung photo, this would be the one I would like.
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
Some excellent photos everyone , many thanks for posting .
The gates of hell were opened and we accepted the invitation to enter" 26/880 Lance Sgt, Edward Dyke. 26th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers , ( 3rd Tyneside Irish )
1st July 1916
Thought shall be the harder , heart the keener,
Courage the greater as our strength faileth.
Here lies our leader ,in the dust of his greatness.
Who leaves him now , be damned forever.
We who are old now shall not leave this Battle,
But lie at his feet , in the dust with our leader
House Carles at the Battle of Hastings
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
You really have to engage the most recent scholarship I have cited, especially the Hein book on the Allgemeine SS. It covers this in complete detail, as does the Austrian one on the Wiener SS.
The Order thing is sort of obsolete as an explanation, as Himmler was remarkably adept at integrating the SS into many structures in society in something quite different than the average person here understands.
There is a ton of new scholarship of great variety in Germany on all of this, and not all of it or really any of it is easily had in English.
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
I do not know the Steiner book, but anyone who reads the Dienstalterliste will see that a large chunk of SS officers fit this description, i.e. they were persons of rank who were not in a full time billet, i.e. not in the command structure, and who had an affiliation with the SS somewhat akin to a club. The distinction between Order and all the death cult hocus pocus and the Rotary Club needs greater reflection. Hein brings all of this out. Koehl is still a great book.
There are many, many books now on the Nazis and society of great merit and much interest. This latter topic interests me much more than the ripping yarns about the 08/15 Ivan slayer and tank killer man.
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
The other thing to keep in mind is the core of all of this violence of various kinds, which is central to the being of the NSDAP, the SA and the SS.
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Re: interesting Stammabteilung photos
The Allgemeine SS was mostly part timers, i.e. the persons you see lining the routes of parades and such. However, as you go up the chain of command, there were full time billets, but very few in number. Look in the rank lists.
Again, the Hein and Rothlaender books are all very clear on these things. The Vienna SS book reveals how really violent and semi criminal many of these people were, whereas others, once the Nazis came to power, were late arrivals grounded in the professions and the social elite, eager to make their way with the regime, whereas other old fighters were sidelined after 1933 but remained in the ranks, too. This is the point of Koehl, also, who was a pioneer with all of this social history of the SS and its organizational contradictions.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 03-01-2013 at 07:28 PM.
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