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KLEIDERKASSE SS paper packet and buttons

Article about: I have not seen this packet before but looks like a fascinating piece of SS memorabilia if original What are your thoughts on it please? Thanks Nick

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    I have not seen this packet before but looks like a fascinating piece of SS memorabilia if original

    What are your thoughts on it please?

    Thanks

    Nick
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    I am highly dubious.
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    2 sizes blouse buttons looks nice.

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    On the ding dong site did other objects with these Saeckerl appear. Adrian is a skeptic, which is warranted with such things.
    The man in the know about such items is our Hugo Rietzel, with his very wonderful collection of RZM ephemera.

    I do have images of a Kleiderkasse SS membership card, but such a thing as this is new to my scouring of the firmament since 2000.
    damit, basta.

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ID:	784504As I peer into the cracks of the past, I think Adrian is right in his skepticism.

    Here is the evidence. Someone will interpret it for us.

    Or someone can interpret it otherwise than have I.....
    damit, basta.

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    The above is or is not linked to these items....


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    damit, basta.

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Size:  50.8 KBThis piece strikes me as quite real. I have only seen one.

    And only in digital images.
    damit, basta.

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    Quote by Friedrich-Berthold View Post
    Here is the evidence. Someone will interpret it for us.
    Don't mind if I do:

    These pages are an excerpt from the 1940 price list of the SS-Kleiderkasse.

    Friedrich-Berthold is referring to positions no. 310 through 317 on page 18. These are the uniform buttons available through the SS-Kleiderkasse system at the time.

    Two different types of grey buttons were available: No. 310 are normal buttons (0.05 RM apiece); no. 313 are screw-on ones (0.18 RM apiece). The normal ones would be the larger (19 mm) size, the screw-on ones the smaller (16 mm) size for fastening shoulder boards.

    All buttons were sold individually as single pieces, not in sets [Stück = piece, Garnitur = set].

    However, the packet is a complete set of the buttons needed for a field blouse: 9 large (19 mm) buttons (= 5 for the front closure, 2 for the breast pockets, 2 for the side pockets) and 2 small (16 mm) buttons (= for the shoulder boards); all of them of the sew-on type with standard metal eyelet [Normalöse]. Also, the Kleiderkasse offered the smaller size only in the screw-on version.

    Also, the terminology used is different: The price list simply refers to the grey buttons as Knöpfe, grau [buttons, grey], not Blusenknöpfe [blouse buttons], which makes sense as they would not be used on the field blouse only, but on greatcoats as well.

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    Happy new year, Andreas.

    Thank you.

    As ever, your wit and intelligence are a boon to the public good.
    damit, basta.

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ID:	784516That is to say: a.) that in 1940 these things were retailed not as a set, but individually; and b.) the sequence of the item number in the catalog does not jibe with the discovery.

    The skeptic would say that the items on the other site are a collage of real things arranged with the whoopee buttons as a ruse....

    or not.....?

    You can see in the Assmann catalog that buttons could be sold in bulk, usually in one hundred pieces, at a discounted price.



    I do not know, as I do not attend militaria events in Europe to see this kind of thing.
    damit, basta.

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