Nicely put FB.
hi dick -
f-b is (obviously) more than adroit enough to speak to these issues. "clarifying" him would be a fool's paradise.
I do have some thoughts, tho. I've read f-b for a good while. and like others, I find that he balances enthusiasm for the pasttime with both a detective's curiosity about production, regulations, materials etc. and a historian's appreciation for the dire conditions giving rise to naziism. his knowledge is broad and deep.
I, for what it's worth, interpret his comments as basically saying, "collect and enjoy this cool stuff, just don't forget the system that produced it." I'd venture to guess people collecting roman coins or mayan pottery entertain the same dual feelings.
some forums have separate places where history per se can be argued (civilly, we hope) - versus just the memorabilia. in my view such needn't be a hard-n-fast rule here - unless of course things head south in the deportment dept. then the barkeep's admonition, "gentlemen, take it outside" applies....
anyway, bob's to be thanked once more for the excellent post and historic images; ditto f-b for the typically lucid contextual discussion.
This forum is a wonderful place to learn about military related artifacts, there are other places to learn about politcal policies and atrocities, I'd prefer they be kept seperate, like church and state. I, and I'm sure others, do not need to be school'd in how we should aproach and or think about our chosen interests. We are all aware of the dangers of thought and speech police, hence I don't think we need anyone on here being chastised for submitting documentatation that is clearly A political.
I have over 10,000 unpublished photo's of the TK units, from the start to their end. I'd hate to think that I would be chastised, or some how treated as a child, and told I should remember what government the photo's represent if I did decided to share them on here. I know that other members do not live in the land of the free, but Bob does. The old saying is true, a picture is worth a 1,000 words, and with what Bob Hritz placed on here certainly add's up to more volumes of fact than can be argued against showing, and certainly need no discusion other than what they were presented for, education of uniforms in use.
However, if someone came on here that want's info about uniforms shown in a photo album from the Boar war, then know doubt it would be justified to inject the history behind such an album, sinse it is not well known about that war and it's camps. ie The first modern concentration camps were set up by the British Army, and over 22,000 women and children were starved to death, all in an effort to get their families men to surrender. Evidently, not too many care what uniforms the British wore at those camps, and evidently not too many care about what happened at the camps either, or even that war. Point being, we don't need schooling on Bobs album, the history of arrocities is already covered more than any than I can think of, as well it should be, but it did not occur like we know it during the time of Bob's album.
Lets just enjoy the discoveries in the fields we endevour. We all know first hand that a lot of knowledege can be found in discovering factual happenings thru photo's, via studies of equipment, uniforms, insignia, weapons, and personel.
I appologise for any mis-spelled words, my spelling rot.
interesting points, dick, and well taken. thanks a lot.
but on this point:
>We are all aware of the dangers of thought and speech police, hence I don't think we need anyone on here being chastised for submitting documentatation that is clearly A political<
I haven't detected "chastisement" or heard anyone call for speech codes. and I suspect such are very unlikely...
all the best, good hunting,
Personally, I believe FB's comments were an expanded historical perspective of the pictures and what would slowly evolve. As previously posted on this Forum, many are aware that I own the Command Flags from Dachau and Matthausen. Historically, I have found them to be very important. At the same time, I have never forgotten what they also represent.
LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.