Non standard SS cuff titles, Delich examples.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

David Delich writes to me ".....I finally was able to locate a couple of Riker
mounts with some SS titles with what appear to
be raggedy borders. This appearance sometimes
may be due to an absolutely fake piece, but sometimes
it can reveal merely an early mfg that has more
aluminum threads in the border than what has come
to be "understood" as a normal, absolutely authentic
stereotypical number of 7. I have picked out two
titles from my collection that have such an "abnormal"
number of aluminum threads in the borders that they
might be misconstrued as being fake.
I have picked out one specimen that has a numeral
and one that has a word, to show that this "abnormality"
just doesn't appear on early numeraled or blank titles
but also titles with names. The "75" title varies in
its number of strands from 9 to 10, and the "Sud"
title varies in its number of strands from 7 to 10.
This merely shows that the early pre-organizational
titles did not always align itself with regulations not
yet in place...or, variations were up to themanufacturer.
I wanted the collecting community to know that
such "abnormalities" or "variants" exist and are very
authentic."

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This issue arose because of an item on another website from a person who formerly played a role here.

[SteveR]

Great information FB.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

We thank David Delich for his stellar role with our site and his generous sharing of this remarkable collection.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Great information FB.

Which is from David Delich, and not from me. Such precise and acute knowledge with such fine illustrations of such arcane material are only his, and his alone.

[DrCMH]

Thank you for this thread FB, I hoped that one would be started to elaborate on the subject given the thread found elsewhere. My thanks to David Delich for his generosity in sharing his treasures and knowledge with us.

CMH

[Friedrich-Berthold]

I saw the thread on variations in cuff titles of early date elsewhere, as well, and I posed the question, privately, to which my mentor answered with this first rate material.
If you compare this knowledge with the lousy, error laden answers elsewhere, you will realize yet again how high this site has risen
above its competition.

[Arran]

I love the early variations, especially the ones which use silver plated wire as apposed to aluminum. I think one day soon I'm going to start a thread on the earliest, pre-RZM insignias...

[jHAM]

Thank you Mr. Delich.
I feel fortunate indeed to see items from your collection and hear your interpretation.
Thanks as always to F-B for connecting us to such an esteemed collection and collector.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

My warm thanks to Mr. Arran and we look forward to his examples of early SS insignia.

The SA and SS both used silver wire insignia as contrasted to the alu. wire insignia.

However, these items existed at the same time as the new RZM, but the issue is the mid 1934 standardization of such insignia which we have explored
elsewhere in many threads, and to which Mr. Saris can perhaps give a succinct explanation.

A tendency exists to describe variations as "pre-RZM," when in reality such items are variations that existed prior to the requirement to mark such insignia, or
they simply were made on an ad hoc basis, where the phrase "non-RZM" is warranted.

[youthcollector1]

"My thanks to David Delich for his generosity in sharing his treasures and knowledge with us."-DrCMH

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