Papa Eicke

**Robert H** · 10-12-2010, 01:47 PM

I don't care about your great deal experience as I know also experiences about people they collect even since the 60's nor if a non German person has insight about the non German way.
It's just a joke and a big time joke what I read here.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 10-12-2010 01:47 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**Woolgar** · 10-12-2010, 04:29 PM

Members seem to be getting irritable recently, why ?

Nick

**Woske** · 10-12-2010, 04:55 PM

by John Brandon

I do wish that people would not comment if they have no experience on items, it does nothing for credibility.
Really nice items Robert. As it has been proved time and time again. The stuff is out there you just gotta find it

Why do we have forums then? If someone posts an item, are we only allowed to comment if the item is obviously authentic? I believe that people should comment on what they believe to be a fake item in order to arrive at the truth or at least discuss reasons why one has their opinion. How else do we expect people to learn? John says he wishes people would not comment and then goes right ahead and comments himself!

by Robert H

I don't care about your great deal experience as I know also experiences about people they collect even since the 60's nor if a non German person has insight about the non German way.
It's just a joke and a big time joke what I read here.

Robert is typical of the dealer who thinks he is the expert and poo poos any conflicting opinion by calling it a joke. I am in no way inferring that Robert has dishonestly sold this postcard, I just have a different opinion. He doesn’t know me or my background, but still writes off an opposing opinion because he thinks he’s right and I, of course, do not understand Germans. What that has to do with it I don’t know, but I can assure him that I am aware of German ways and I am a specialist in analyzing and assessing autographs, especially those of Third Reich SS officers, not only for my personal archive, but for professional institutions around the world. And whether he likes it or not, signatures are my life’s work and specialty, unlike him who is a general militaria dealer.

The Eicke postcard displayed here is commonly found with a stamped/printed signature, nearly always with the same colour ink and in the same position on the card surface. Close examination of this type of signature under strong magnification will reveal the lack of crossovers and no indications of normal ink flow. Where the stamp or printing press has lifted away from the surface will also reveal minute bubbling, not evident in genuine handwritten autographs. There are other tests available which should only be carried out in laboratory conditions, but I believe this example is so obviously printed/stamped to the experienced eye, it would not be necessary. If Robert or John can provide evidence of tests carried out to prove it is handwritten, with their results, then I am prepared to accept that my opinion, based on a browser image alone, is wrong. Until then, I’ll stick with my original assessment.
Woske.

**gend** · 10-12-2010, 07:21 PM

Hallo!
I think, the flyer is a fake! At this time, in Germany was Reichsmark, not Mark!!!
Eintritt = M1!!!!
Is it real??
Gruß, gend

**Bob Hritz** · 10-12-2010, 11:17 PM

Robert H has been around long enough to know what is good and what is not. Those of you who do not know Robert may be unaware of his success in finding fine items both in Germany and in the United States.

Bob Hritz

**Woske** · 10-13-2010, 12:10 AM

by Bob Hritz

Robert H has been around long enough to know what is good and what is not. Those of you who do not know Robert may be unaware of his success in finding fine items both in Germany and in the United States.

Bob Hritz

Thank you Bob. I am aware of Robert's reputation as a general militaria dealer, but that does not mean he's right in every case and it certainly does not give him the right to treat other people's opinions as a joke. I respect his opinion and he should at least respect the opinions of others, even if he disagrees with them. In this case, I believe he has got it wrong and it appears I am not alone.
Woske.

**Robert H** · 10-13-2010, 02:04 AM

just a sidenote I collect more for my self as I deal with it

**Blitzkrieg Bop** · 10-13-2010, 02:19 AM

I hope this thread doesn't go bad. I like the items. Really neat pieces. I hope you find a nice place to put them.

**HPL2008** · 10-13-2010, 06:09 AM

by gend

I think, the flyer is a fake! At this time, in Germany was Reichsmark, not Mark!!!
Eintritt = M1!!!!

Referring to the currency simply as "Mark" instead of "Reichsmark" (or instead of "D-Mark" or "Deutsche Mark" in the post-war and pre-Euro years, for that matter) was common and quite normal.

**Woske** · 10-13-2010, 11:04 PM

Just for interest sake, here is a different Eicke signed postcard. This one is hand signed, but it is a fake in my opinion. It illustrates how the nib deposits more ink along the outer edges of its track and leaves obvious crossovers. In stamped or printed examples, this is not present as the ink is more evenly distributed. The signature is a reasonable copy, but the rank and unit have a definite appearance of being drawn and not written with a flourish as in authentic handwriting. Note the shaky strokes of the nib, denoting subconcious nervous tremor, nearly always present in forged signatures.
Woske.