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Papa Eicke

Article about: Fantastic thread Woske. Advanced digital magnification analysis is a tool I have been using with the detailed study of both real and fake SS decals for the past 4 years and there are obvious

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    Thanks Wolske
    Never had any doubt in my mind it was fake, but just wondered how close it was. Incidently, i believe the signature to be in pen. I could take some mirco pictures, but nor tonight as I'm tired

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    Quote by John Brandon View Post
    Thanks Wolske
    Never had any doubt in my mind it was fake, but just wondered how close it was. Incidently, i believe the signature to be in pen. I could take some mirco pictures, but nor tonight as I'm tired
    John,
    Your scan is pretty good as it enlarges well. (Click on the image twice to enlarge.) Look at the highlighted areas in particular....there are no apparent crossovers as in handwritten examples and there is evidence of "lifting," as described earlier. This is indicated by tiny blank spots where the printing ink has failed to adhere entirely to the surface and is a phenomena not present in ink handwriting on a smooth surface.
    Woske.
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    I also agree. well-played, f-b, and superbly reasoned per usual. robert please don't you and f-b go. there are many many here who even if they rarely or never contribute value your contribs. greatly. and yes, benefit from your collective knowledge. as for the dispute, 'from the hottest fire is the strongest steel forged' or something. I mean, yeah there's heat here but heat makes for light.


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    I totally agree

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    Quote by Woske View Post
    John,
    Your scan is pretty good as it enlarges well. (Click on the image twice to enlarge.) Look at the highlighted areas in particular....there are no apparent crossovers as in handwritten examples and there is evidence of "lifting," as described earlier. This is indicated by tiny blank spots where the printing ink has failed to adhere entirely to the surface and is a phenomena not present in ink handwriting on a smooth surface.
    Woske.
    Well I'm not going to argue with you Pretty conclusive I would say. I know who I'll be asking if i have any doubts

    Thanks again

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    Woske,
    Great education you have given this membership, thank you. Autographs are always nice in a collection and as with all SS items need a good study before venturing forth.

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    No problem; always ready to help collectors wherever I can.
    Woske.

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    Here's another Eicke postcard with a stamped signature. Usual ink, usual position in the bottom right quarter of the card.
    Woske.

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    Thanks for the update to a fascinating thread Woske. The image of the signature you have posted is to me, identical to the one a the start of this robust disscusion, and as far as I'm concerned, proves your original assumption as to the originality of Eicke's signature. Thanks for the education, I'm truly impressed with your knowledge and polite way you have defended your corner to this final resolution. Brilliant.

    Regards, Ned.
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    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
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    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Woske, I am with Ned on this one too. I've delved into autographs for over 40 years now,and I have to absolutely agree that your assessment of the Eicke sig is 100% spot on. I have to admit,also,that the reaction to it being questioned was disquieting to say the least,but I've seen this on countless other examples with autographs. Once someone thinks it's original,it's almost impossible to ever change their mind. Professional autograph dealers have sold questionable signatures and when asked,seem to react with the same over-reaction and take it as a personal insult. Rarely,if ever,will they Ever listen to even the most reasonable arguments. It's an odd phenomenon... William

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    Thank you for your input gentlemen.
    W.

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