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Several Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler cuff titles

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ID:	780169Many of you will belch in protest that I have left out a couple of books, often and even always cited, but that's because I do not like them.

    Since it is Christmas, I will keep upright my bucket of bile on this account.

    Some of the works most often cited are those most full of mistakes, at least in my dim view.

    damit, basta.

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    I will ask colleague Delich to give us a Christmas present, possibly, and show us the first item illustrated here in the always cited book I do not like.
    damit, basta.

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    Quote by Friedrich-Berthold View Post
    I will ask colleague Delich to give us a Christmas present, possibly, and show us the first item illustrated here in the always cited book I do not like.
    That would be a real treat! Please wish Mr. Delich all of the best for me.

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    Hi Jux, welcome to the forum!

    Just so you know, the cuff titles you used to illustrate your post. I am fairly sure the first one is a replica. The second one certainly is and is incorrect in form. It is missing the upstroke which connects the letter "d" to the letter "o".

    Books, books and more books is very sound advice.

    Cheers, Ade.
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    Hello you all !

    Thank you for your quick answers ! Yeah books, books and books, you're totally right but like i don't own them (for the moment) I ask for peoples who own them
    Friedrich-Berthold i didn't know for the others Leibstandarte sutterlin cuff titles thank you. I'm focusing now on the first cuff title showed at your book :
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    So according to this book the first cuff title for the Adolf Hitler Life Guard was worn after the order of the 5 may 1934 ? Can you give me the date of the end of this Gothic cuff title which mark the beginning of the Sutterling one ?

    But all the Hitler's body guard units before the 5 may 1934 (LSSAH, LAH, AH Standarte, SS-Sonderkommando Berlin, SS Stabswache Berlin, SA Stosstrupp AH) didn't wear a distinctive cuff title ? If someone can answer to this question with date and image (even replica because i just want to see and learn the date) i will really appreciate your help. For the moment i only know the commemorative cuff title "Stosstrupp AH 1923" worn in 1936 by SS people (i'm not shure at all of the date and conditions to wear one) by the founder members of this SA unit.

    Yes Adrian Stevenson the first one is a replica and it's mine . Moreover let's dream, do you have an idea of the price of the first cuff title ? If i have the opportunity to buy a real one a day i will do it !


    Thank all you for your help.

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    But all the Hitler's body guard units before the 5 may 1934 (LSSAH, LAH, AH Standarte, SS-Sonderkommando Berlin, SS Stabswache Berlin, SA Stosstrupp AH) didn't wear a distinctive cuff title ? If someone can answer to this question with date and image (even replica because i just want to see and learn the date) i will really appreciate your help. For the moment i only know the commemorative cuff title "Stosstrupp AH 1923" worn in 1936 by SS people (i'm not shure at all of the date and conditions to wear one) by the founder members of this SA unit.

    The Stoßtrupp Adolf Hitler did not wear a cuff title, as cuff titles of any kind had not yet made their appearance in the Nazis' garb in 1923. (Neither had collar patches and shoulder boards, for that matter.)
    Later, the Stoßtrupp was considered not just the forerunner of the LSSAH, but of the SS as such. In 1939, Gunter d'Alquen wrote:

    "Die SS entstand in ganz früher Zeit der nationalsozialistischen Bewegung, im Jahre 1923. Sie wurde dann später als "Stoßtrupp Hitler" am 9. November 1923 automatisch mit der gesamten Bewegung verboten und aufgelöst."

    ["The SS was formed in the very early period of the National Socialist Movement, in the year of 1923. As the "Stoßtrupp Hitler", it was later automatically prohibited and disbanded along with the entire movement on 9 November 1923".]

    (From: Die SS - Geschichte, Aufgabe und Organisation der Schutzstaffeln der NSDAP)


    The Stabswache Berlin/Sonderkommando Berlin, Sonderkommando Jüterbog and Sonderkommando Zossen only existed within an overall timeframe of less than a half year's length between mid-March to early September 1933 (having been formed at various dates during this period) and - unsurprisingly, given their transitional nature and short existence - did not have distinctive unit cuff titles. They would have worn cuff titles following the A-SS' system (with company numbers etc.). Perhaps our member d'alquen has more precise data on this matter.


    These individual units evolved into what was initially known as the Adolf-Hitler-Standarte and soon became the Leibstandarte. The first distinctive cuff title worn by Hitler's armed bodyguard formation was the short-lived "Adolf Hitler" one in Gothic letters which after a year or so was replaced by the Sütterlin pattern. Initially, other SS units/institutions also utilized cuff titles in Sütterlin script, but this was eventually reserved for the Leibstandarte only as one of a number of distinctive features in its accoutrements.
    The 5 May 1934 order on the insignia worn by the Politische Bereitschaften mentioned by you did not introduce the "Adolf Hitler" cuff title, but merely confirmed it:

    "Die Leibstandarte S.S. Adolf Hitler behält ihre eingeführten Abzeichen (Ärmelstreifen mit der Aufschrift Adolf Hitler, Kragenspiegel: rechter Krangenspiegel bestickt mit der S.S.-Rune)."

    ["The Leibstandarte S.S. Adolf Hitler retains its established insignia (sleeve band with the inscription Adolf Hitler, collar patch: right collar patch embroidered with the S.S. runes)."]

    (From the Mitteilungsblatt der RZM of 23 June 1934)


    The "Stoßtrupp Adolf Hitler 1923" cuff title was an honorarium worn on the right lower sleeve of political uniforms (not just SS, but also SA, PL etc.) by former members of the original Stoßtrupp. The circle of wearers was very small (some 50 or so men, if memory serves) and included such well-known "old fighters" as Julius Schaub, Emil Maurice, Karl Fiehler, Ulrich Graf etc.:

    "Ärmelstreifen: Stoßtrupp Adolf Hitler 1923
    tragen auf Anordnung des Führers ehemalige Angehörige des Stoßtrupps Adolf Hitler 1923 beim Dienstrock und Uniformmantel am oberen Ende des rechten Ärmelaufschlages, bei der Dienstbluse am rechten Ärmel, und zwar 1 1/2 Handbreite von Unterkante Ärmel.
    Ausführung: 25 mm breit, Ripsstreifen aus Aluminium, Schrift in Schwarz
    ."

    ["Sleeve band: Stoßtrupp Adolf Hitler 1923
    is worn, on the Führer's order, by former members of the Stoßtrupp Adolf Hitler 1923 on the upper edge of the right sleeve turn-up of the service tunic and uniform greatcoat and on the right sleeve of the service blouse [i.e. the brownshirt] namely 1 1/2 hand's width from the lower edge of the sleeve.
    Design: 25 mm wide, rep band made of aluminum, lettering in black."]

    (From the 1937 edition of the Organisationsbuch der NSDAP)
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    Bravo, Andreas.
    damit, basta.

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    only the best info on this site.

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ID:	780678Mr. d'Alquen found us this nice document some time back, but it speaks to the question at hand...
    damit, basta.

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    Hello all,

    I wrote a message to thank you all and to ask something about a date but i think i miss clicked the Post button -_-
    So i begin again :

    First thank you all for all this informations it's amazing how forums can solve problems.
    Okay so the "Adolf Hitler" Gothic cuff title was the first cuff title ever worn by the armed body guards of Hitler. Moreover you told me that this cuff title was worn after the order of the 5 May 1934. I can't read German but is this document the order to wear this cuff title signed by Himmler and applied on the 11 May 1934 ? Wow what a piece of history !

    Can you give me the date of the end of this Gothic cuff title which mark the beginning of the Sutterling one ? Because i own a Gothic one and i would like to know the exact date of birth (5 May 1934) and dead of this cuff title

    For the "Stosstrupp AH 1923" do you know the date of apparition of this cuff title ? I've heard about 1936 but i'm not shure at all. Moreover can someone wear 2 cuff titles together ? For example can someone wear an Adolf Hitler Sutterlin cuff title and the Stosstrupp commemorative one together ?

    Thank you all.

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