06-30-2014 08:41 AM
Hi Ganer..just a heads up stay focused on the uniform..or uniforms..if there are to be any comparison....between the 2 countries..I do urge "not" to lean into a political arena comparing the 2 nations in the present circumstances of the Ukraine itself. The thread will be deleted if done so.
The photo above IMO is a rare one which I have never see before up close of that Monster Frank. Regards Larry
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Karl Hermann Frank
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"Professional" SS personnel were uniformed for everyday duty in grey even before the outbreak of war, but also wore the black service uniform as a dress-/parade-/walking out uniform.
They stopped wearing the black service uniform altogether at or very shortly after the outbreak of war. Only part-time Allgemeine SS personnel and purely honorary SS officers continued to wear black up until the end of the war. (We have a thread on the subject of late-war wear of the black uniform.)
Frank joined the SS in November 1938; it is pretty safe to say that he would have worn a black dress uniform in the rather short, remaining pre-war period, but not after the outbreak of war.
The cuff title is the "RFSS" cuff title worn by members of Himmler's personal staff, seen here in the variant with Gothic "RF" and Runic "SS". Its immediately preceding model had the full "RFSS" abbreviation in Gothic script. There was also an earlier version with the "RFSS" in full block letters. After September 1939, the "SS" was to appear only in Runic form on all cuff titles.
The "Reichsführung-SS" cuff title was introduced in 1939 and worn by all personnel attached to any of the Main or subsidiary offices which made up the enlarged RFSS.
That clears up my questions! I use this information to date photos. When he has the rank of SS-Obergruppenführer all of the cuff titles are the Reichsführung-SS. Is that a demotion off Himmler's staff? With someone like Frank (he was Reich Minister for Bohemia and Moravia by then) are the uniform details more style or job? Reichskommissar for Norway Josef Terboven just made up his own personal uniform.
I will look for a photos of him in black. The image goes with his appointment as Höhere SS- und Polizeiführer for Böhmen und Mähren before the start of the war. I did read the great series of posts on war time wearing of Black uniforms. Most of the photos I have found of him in SS uniform he is with Reinhard Heydrich which is in 1941.
He apparently crimped his prongs.
The best source for this personage is the Czech News archive, whence I found these images.