Hello Gentlemen I would be interested in purchasing this mantel . May I have your opinion ? The seller says that the belt is a post war replacement .
Thank You in advance.
Notton
SS mantel
Hello Gentlemen I would be interested in purchasing this mantel . May I have your opinion ? The seller says that the belt is a post war replacement .
Thank You in advance.
Notton
Very nice. Bravo. You need a brassard. Look in the pockets. Why is the belt replaced?
You should look at the buttons, though, but the rest of thing is picco bello.
You need one of my officer's caps.
It has signs of time, but that is ok in a piece of this kind.
It is an enlisted level of coat with the officer's insignia, but that is also perfectly acceptable.
It is hard to find the nicely tailored coats.
I own five of these. Dr CMH has one, and I do, too, but I am too lazy to photograph it.
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If I were the average person is this biotope, I would tell you it is fake and then buy it out from under you.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 01-12-2017 at 02:16 AM.
It is an Ostmaerkische Standarte, so the 1938 year is good and that it is an issue piece is also good, as these people were eingekleidet in a hurry and so forth.
38.SS-Standarte
Dec 12th 2012
38.SS-Standarte
Aufstellungsdatum: 11.06.1931
Sitz: Leoben ---------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-DWA-23/07)
a) Ereignisse :
Stärkemeldungen:
23.01.1932 -- Stärkemeldung SS: November 1931: 83 / Dezember 1931: 84 ---------------------------- (Quelle: DU-SSST12-31)
30.06.1938 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 1164 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-STJB-38)
31.12.1938 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 1290 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-STJB-38)
30.06.1941 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 1829 / davon nicht einberufen (tatsächliche Stärke) : 871 ------ (Quelle: DU-NA-T175-R111)
31.12.1943 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 2033 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-SSST12-43)
b) Gliederung :
Stürme----------Standort----------------------Sturmführer (Zeitraum)
(Angaben soweit bekannt, werden weiter vervollständigt)
I.Sturmbann :
1/38 ------------- Graz ---------------------------
2/38 ------------------------------------------------ von Kurz, Karl Hans; Oscha. (1939) (1)
3/38 ------------------------------------------------ Wiesenberger, Rudolf; Ustuf. (1939) (1)
4/38 ------------------------------------------------ Fischer, Alfred; Oscha. (1939) (1)
II.Sturmbann :
1/38* ----------------------------------------------- Helle, Paul; Ustuf. (25.09.1932-09.11.1933) (4), Ostuf. (09.11.1933-15.06.1934) (4)
Gliederung nach Juni 1934
5/38 ------------------------------------------------ Neuhold, Hans; Hscha. (1939) (1); Konrad, Franz
6/38 --
7/38 ------------------------------------------------ Wolf, Karl; Oscha. (1939) (1)
8/38 ------------------------------------------------ Fauster, Hans; Oscha. (1939) (1)
III.Sturmbann :
09/38 ---------------------------------------------- Derkitz, Hans; Hscha. (1939) (1)
10/38 ---------------------------------------------- Jeller, Karl; Uscha. (1939) (1)
11/38 ---------------------------------------------- Görtler, Max; Ustuf. (1939) (1)
12/38 ---------------------------------------------- Wöhrenschimmel, Rudolf; Ustuf. (1939) (1)
(Quelle: diverse Archive, wenn nicht gesondert angegeben)
c) Stellenbesetzung :
Führer:
Turza, Walter; Standartenführer ------------------ b.m.d.V. -------- F. 38 -------------- 19.06.1931-00.10.1931 (2)
Knapp, Robert; Sturmführer ---------------------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 00.10.1931-00.06.1932
Taus, Karl; Obersturmbannführer --------------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 15.06.1934-18.11.1934
Pinter, Rupert; Untersturmführer ---------------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 18.11.1934-00.01.1937
Remely, Erwin; Obersturmbannführer --------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 00.01.1937-01.12.1938
Schmitz, Werner; Sturmbannführer ----------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 01.12.1938-00.00.1939
Nageler, Viktor; Sturmbannführer -------------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 00.00.1939-08.05.1945
Nageler, Viktor; Obersturmbannführer ------------------------------- F. 38 -------------- 00.00.1939-08.05.1945
(Quelle: DWA)
I.Sturmbann (1.-4.Sturm)
DAL
------- Helle, Paul; Obersturmführer -------------------------------------- m.d.F.b. ------ F. I./38 (15.06.1934-09.11.1934) (4)
II.Sturmbann (5.-8.Sturm)
DAL
1938 Stopper, Kurt; Untersturmführer ----------------------------------------------------- F. II./38
------- Stopper, Kurt; Obersturmführer ---------------------------------- m.d.F.b. ------ F. II./38 (24.01.1940 (3)
III.Sturmbann (9.-12.Sturm)
DAL
1938 Frühwirth, Rudolf; Hauptsturmführer ---------------------------------------------- F. III./38
(Quelle: DV-DWA-49/05)
d) Anschriften :
Datum:------------------------------ Ort:
19.06.1931 -------------------- Graz ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: (2) Preradovich)
04.11.1932 -------------------- Wien III, Fasangasse 3 --------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB01-32)
20.12.1932 -------------------- Linz, Weingartshof 2 ------------------------------------------------------------ (Quelle: DV-SSB02-32)
16.01.1933 -------------------- Linz, Weingartshof 2 ------------------------------------------------------------ (Quelle: DU-SSAV33)
25.04.1938 -------------------- Graz, Park-Hotel ----------------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB04-38)
01.02.1940-15.05.1941 --- Graz, Burg Postfach 547 ----------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSAV40-41)
01.10.1942 -------------------- Graz, Burg Postfach 547 / verlegt nach: Lerchgasse 34 ---------- (Quelle: DV-SSB02-42)
20.04.1943-01.11.1944 --- Graz, Lerchgasse 34 ----------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSAV43-44)
e) Weitere Quellenangaben :
(----- (*): Vor der Vereinheitlichung mit Sturm 1-4 = I.Sturmbann)
(----- (1): RS-Akten/BA)
(----- (2): Nikolaus v. Preradovich: "Österreichs Höhere SS-Führer", Vorwinkel-Verlag, 1987)
(----- (3): DV-SSV04-40)
(----- (4): SSO-Akt Helle)
Aktualisiert: 25.12.2016
Anhang:
38.SS-Standarte (Karte wurde auf Grundlage folgender Bücher entwickelt : BV45-HAB, S.12 und BN45-ROT, S.414)
Übersichtskarte des Großdeutschen Reiches 1943 (Ausschnitt) und
Politische Übersicht 1943
Files
Grafik 38.SS-Standarte.jpg
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A nice piece. When you do not want it anymore, please sell it to me.
I like Austrian Allgemeine SS things.
You need this, too....
Can you get a clear image of the belt as concerns front, back and the button holes and such?
I can show you others, and you can determine if it is replaced. It is a small point.
Here is one of mine but for an NCO. I have owned this since 1975.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 01-12-2017 at 01:46 AM.
Woolen eating monsters especially like badge cloth for whatever reason. It is perhaps jarring, but it bespeaks the reality of time.
Foetid woolens.
Always a pleasure to see a real item come up on the forum , thanks for sharing .
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