Ss-pioniersturmbann

[Robert H]

very nice Sir Peter

[Bob Hritz]

The Allgemeine-SS cuff title with the black borders for Pioneer.

Bob Hritz

[Friedrich-Berthold]

The Allgemeine-SS cuff title with the black borders for Pioneer.

Bob Hritz

Wunderbar.

[Cees]

Wonderful material, really. It is the first time I see a cufftitle with the black borders. Thanks to all of you to bring so much quality in this thread.

[d'alquen]

An exceptionally nice example of a colour bordered title that would be phased out the same year as the date on the RZM tag.
Thanks for posting it.
D.

[Bob Hritz]

Cees,

The photo you posted, of the Pioneer man, displays the first pattern runes while my photo, on the first page, displays the 2nd pattern runes. How unusual that such short lived insignia would have had such dramatic changes.

Bob Hritz

[Dimas]

Very interesting thread and nice insignia guys. Thank for sharing that. It's will be very interesting to see other like veterinary and medical service etc...

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Very interesting thread and nice insignia guys. Thank for sharing that. It's will be very interesting to see other like veterinary and medical service etc...

The SS was full of doctors, of course, and were concentrated in Sanitaetsabteilungen at various levels, here for the Abschnitt. Maybe someone has a nice image of this cuff title. Addendendum: this is from Bob Coleman's wonderful collection.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

One should also note that these specialized units, that is, engineers, mounted units, etc. in the Allgemeine SS were scaled back in the 2d half of the 1930s to allow for the build up of the paramilitary branches (and likely the internal security/secret police piece) so that this regalia shown for the Allgem. SS (i.e. Bob Hritz's cuff title and collar patch) and Peter's hoard of material from Vetter are especially extraordinary in terms of rarity.


Colleague d'alquen once posted a page from the statistical yearbook of the SS to document this trend, which is also well reflected in the 2dary literature on the organizational development of the SS and especially its budgetary development related to the organic SS based enterprises based on state criminal capitalist enterprises. The other part is here that once the conquest of such places as Austria and Czechia began, the hectic growth in the SS accelerated further, and the original role and mission of crushing a 1918 style revolt in the Altreich receded in importance to the control and internal security of the expanded Grossdeutschland, followed soon after by the rise of the SS at arms, regular combat units.

If one spends time with military budgets and army and air force force structure, then these things are on one's mind.

My point: the stuff you are looking at here is more rare than is obviously the case.

It is also true that these were not combat insignia, per se, but a collector does himself a disservice merely to focus on "Das Reich," or whatever inthe narrow sense in one's quest for interesting pieces of the past.

Happy collecting.

[Robert H]

A large picture I just found in size 17.5cmx23cm (photo by self). Possible SS Pioneersturmbann Dresden.