So great collection !
So great collection !
Here is a pattern that I would be comfortable with, however your one could be a period badge, but in my opinion if there is any doubt, then leave it. First impressions are usually the correct ones
FB, again, words fail me
Stiener that's quite an impressive "little collection"
When you're wounded and left of Afghanistan's plains,
An' the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle an' blow out your brains,
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." - Rudyard Kipling
The red collar patches were worn by the Italian Waffen-SS troops. They originally wore red, rather than black, insignia (to include red sleeve eagle- and arm chevron backing and enlisted ranks' shouler straps) before switching over to the standard black color. Other pecularities of the Italian SS included the use of a bundle of fasces instead of the swastika on their sleeve- and cap eagles and the fact that they exclusively wore Italian-pattern uniforms.
The sequence and allocation of insignia worn by the Italian SS is, in fact, an extremely complicated and confusing matter. Little original data is available and the secondary literature on the subject is frustratingly incomplete/unreliable/contradictory. Period photographs show collar patches in black and red, blank- and runic right-hand collar patches, rank insignia worn on both collar patches even by ranks below Standartenführer etc. etc. ...
Some interesting photographs may be found here:
Italian SS | On the gothic line
Thanks Andreas Great info !
"In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem
I also do not like the quality or style of this badge. It would be difficult to convince any knowledgable collector that it is genuine.
LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.
Thank you all.
Tunic go back to the dealer.
A tepid reception was kind of an expected outcome for such an odd and ugly variation, but returning the tunic just because the SS runes badge is “less beautiful than the textbook” sounds a hasty choice, to me at least.
I am acquainted with terms such as Abzeichentuch, Besatztuch, Grundtuch … u.s.w. which most esteemed member F-B refers to, but SS runes breast badges may actually have been embroidered on uniform cloth as well. SS runes breast badges on mottled-green, halflinen (grünbraunem Halbleinen) do exist, for example, and on a round backing , specifically. Furthermore, unquestionable Police officers’ sleeve eagles hand embroidered on “Police green” Trikot may be occasionally encountered in collections (mine included).
“Tailor product” is another creative, but questionable categorisation of the Others in their quest of all-out taxonomy. With so many insignia makers around in the Great Reich, I doubt that German tailors needed to practise embroidering.
I do actually own a single uniform (out of more than twenty five or so...) where the collar patches are made from Trikotage, but they are a blank SD patch and an Untersturmfuehrer rank patch. I do not have an image of same. Perhaps I will try to make one if I can recover from the near fatal experience I had with my dentist today.