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    Hello Gentlemen,

    I need info about the location of SS Motor Standarte M10 please

    If we refer to the SS DAL of 1944 they were 3 locations : Stuttgart, Karlsruh and Freiburg i/Breisgau (and that's the point)

    I am interested in knowing the different "Sturm" locations of the Rgt. and especially the "Freiburger" Sturm number.

    If a member could help about that, that would be great

    Below te collar tabs board of Mr Delich with an "M10" tab set !

    Thank you very much

    P.
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    Kraftfahrstaffeln (K) mit dem letztbekannten Dienstort;
    Nachweis erfolgt aus den angegebenen Quellen (Stand : 31.12.1943)

    1/K 10, Ab. X, Stuttgart
    2/K 10, Ab. XIX, Karlsruhe/Baden
    3/K 10, Ab. XXIX, Konstanz/Bodensee



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    Regarding Freiburg, this was listed on a very nice website and perhaps it can lead to more information that will lead you to the answers you seek...
    65.SS-Standarte

    Aufstellungsdatum: 15.07.1933
    Sitz: Lahr/Baden ----------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-DWA-23/07)


    a) Ereignisse :

    Stärkemeldungen:
    31.01.1938 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 1920 ------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-STJB-38)
    30.06.1938 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 2023 ------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-STJB-38)
    31.12.1938 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 1925 ------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-STJB-38)
    31.12.1943 -- Stärkemeldung SS: 1834 ------------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DU-SSST12-43)


    b) Gliederung :

    Stürme--------Standort----------------------------------------Sturmführer (Zeitraum)

    (Angaben soweit bekannt, werden weiter vervollständigt)

    I.Sturmbann : Freiburg (1)
    1/65 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jäger, Karl; Ustuf. (1935) (2)
    2/65 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Kaiser, Karl; Huber, Otto (1941) (2)
    3/65 --
    4/65 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Ziegler, Eugen; Ustuf. (1935) (2)

    II.Sturmbann :
    5/65 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Oldeboershuis, Gerrit; Ustuf. (1935) (2); Wildenstein, Karl (1937) (2)
    6/65 --
    7/65 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Häusler, Karl; Ustuf. (1935) (2)
    8/65 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hölzer, Rudolf; Ustuf. (1935) (2)

    III.Sturmbann :
    09/65 -------------------------------------------------------------- Schmidt, Wilhelm; Ustuf. (1935) (2)
    10/65 -------------------------------------------------------------- Stern, Alfons; Ustuf. (1935) (2)
    11/65 -------------------------------------------------------------- Weimer, Fritz (1936) (2)
    12/65 -------------------------------------------------------------- Kalinowski, Josef; Ustuf. (1935) (2)

    Reserve-Sturmbann : Freiburg (1)
    1/65 ----------------------- Freiburg (1)

    Sta.Nachr.Fhr. : Freiburg (1)

    (Quelle: diverse Archive, wenn nicht gesondert angegeben)


    c) Stellenbesetzung :

    Führer:

    Heitz, Georg; Sturmbannführer ---------------------------- F. 65 ----------- 15.07.1933-01.01.1934
    Ihle, Wilhelm; Standartenführer --------------------------- F. 65 ------------ 01.01.1934-10.03.1934
    Zahn, Konrad; Standartenführer -------------------------- F. 65 ------------ 10.03.1934-01.06.1935
    Stolle, Gustav; Obersturmbannführer ------------------- F. 65 ------------ 01.06.1935-16.09.1936
    Gunst, Walter; Standartenführer -------------------------- F. 65 ------------ 16.09.1936-00.00.1941
    Wieber, Karl; Hauptsturmführer --------------------------- F. 65 ------------ 00.00.1941-08.05.1945

    (Quelle: DWA)


    SS-Führer zur Verfügung
    DAL
    1935 Laise, Erich; Untersturmführer ------------------------------------- z.V. 65.Sta.


    I.Sturmbann (1.-4.Sturm)
    DAL
    1934 Laise, Erich; Untersturmführer ------------------------------------------ F. I./65
    1934 Künzel, Ermin; Untersturmführer --------------------------------------- F. I./65
    1935 Kaiser, Adolf; Untersturmführer ----------------------------------------- F. I./65
    1936 Kaiser, Adolf; Hauptsturmführer ---------------------------------------- F. I./65
    1937 Mutz, Albert; Hauptsturmführer ------------------------------------------ F. I./65
    1938 Hasselmann, Gerhard; Sturmbannführer ---------------------------- F. I./65
    1944 Hasselmann, Gerhard; Sturmbannführer ---------------------------- F. I./65


    II.Sturmbann (5.-8.Sturm)
    DAL
    1934 Görke, Rudlieb; Sturmbannführer -------------------------------------- F. II./65
    1936 Oldeboershuis, Gerrit; Hauptsturmführer ---------------------------- F. II./65
    1937 Oldeboershuis, Gerrit; Hauptsturmführer ---------------------------- F. II./65
    1938 Kaiser, Karl; Obersturmführer ------------------------------------------- F. II./65


    III.Sturmbann (9.-12.Sturm)
    DAL
    1934 Schilling, Karl; Sturmhauptführer -------------------------------------- F. III./65
    1935 Schilling, Karl; Sturmbannführer --------------------------------------- F. III./65
    1936 Rommer, Jakob; Sturmbannführer ------------------------------------ F. III./65
    1937 Strigl, Karl; Sturmbannführer -------------------------------------------- F. III./65
    1938 Imhof, Karl; Untersturmführer ------------------------------------------- F. III./65


    Reserve-Sturmbann
    DAL
    1934 Hasselmann, Gerhard; Untersturmführer ------------------------- F. Res.65
    1935 Hasselmann, Gerhard; Obersturmführer -------------------------- F. Res.65
    1936 Hasselmann, Gerhard; Hauptsturmführer ------------------------- F. Res.65
    1937 Hasselmann, Gerhard; Hauptsturmführer ------------------------- F. Res.65

    (Quelle: DV-DWA-49/05)


    d) Anschriften :

    Standarte:
    Datum:-------------------------Ort:
    15.06.1934 ------------------- Freiburg, Kaiserstr. 27 --------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB07-34)
    00.00.1935-00.00.1936 --- Freiburg, Kaiserstr. 2 ----------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: (1)
    25.01.1937 ------------------- Freiburg, Adolf-Hitler-Str. 140 ------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB01-37)
    25.02.1937 ------------------- Freiburg, Adolf-Hitler-Str. 140 / verlegt nach Lessingstr. 14 ---- (Quelle: DV-SSB02-37)
    01.10.1937 ------------------- Freiburg, Lessingstr. 14 -------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSAV37)
    20.12.1937 ------------------- Freiburg, Lessingstr. 14 -------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB12-37)
    25.05.1939 ------------------- Freiburg, Lessingstr. 14 / verlegt nach Mercystr. 16 --------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB04-39)
    01.02.1940-20.04.1943 --- Freiburg, Mercystr. 16 ----------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSAV40-41-43)
    01.10.1943 ------------------- Freiburg, Mercystr. 16 / verlegt nach Goethestr. 33 ---------------- (Quelle: DV-SSB02-43)
    01.11.1944 ------------------- Freiburg, Goethestr. 33 ---------------------------------------------------- (Quelle: DV-SSAV44)

    Sturmbanne:
    I.Sturmbann
    00.00.1934 ------------------- Freiburg, Albertstr. 9 (1)
    00.00.1935-00.00.1936 --- Freiburg, Kaiserstr. 2 (1)
    00.00-1937 ------------------- Freiburg, Adolf-Hitler-Str.140 (1)

    II.Sturmbann

    III.Sturmbann

    Reserve-Sturmbann
    00.00.1935-00.00.1936 --- Freiburg, Turmstr. 12 (1)
    00.00.1937 ------------------- Freiburg, Turmstr. 14 (1)

    Stürme:
    Reserve-Sturm 1/65
    00.00.1935-00.00.1937 --- Freiburg, Turmstr. 14 (1)

    Sta.Nachr.Fhr.:
    00.00.1935-00.00.1936 --- Freiburg, Kaiserstr. 2 (1)


    e) Weitere Quellenangaben :

    (----- (1): Amtliches Einwohnerbuch der Stadt Freiburg i.Br. von 1935-1937)
    (----- (2): RS-Akten/BA)

    Aktualisiert: 14.02.2015

    Anhang:

    Standartengebiet 65.SS-Standarte (1936) (Quelle: wwii-photos-maps.com)
    Übersichtskarte des Großdeutschen Reiches 1943 (Ausschnitt) und
    Politische Übersicht 1943
    Credit: Forun der Wehrmacht

    I only found this reference to Motor Standarte 10, I wish I could offer more.

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    Thank you very much for this very interesting an informative answer !

    Would that mean "M10" is not matching or do not coresponding with the Kraftfahrsturme "K"10 ?
    and why is an "K" (M)10 Sturm(bann) ? located in Freiburg i/ Br. in the SS DAL of 1944 ?
    Last edited by Pascal BERNHARD; 06-14-2015 at 06:48 PM.

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    I just fell out of my chair viewing..the information posted by Dr CMH..and the tipping point is the knowledge here is endless Well done ! Regards Larry
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

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    “Would that mean "M10" is not matching or do not coresponding with the Kraftfahrsturme "K"10 ?”

    Motorstandarte 10 is the same unit as Kraftfahrsturm 10. The designation for the motorised units was changed in March 1938 from “Motorstandarten’ to “Kraftfahrstürme”.

    “and why is an "K" (M)10 Sturm(bann) ? located in Freiburg i/ Br. in the SS DAL o 1944 ?”

    The location of the unit’s third sub-unit (“motorstaffel” or kraftfahrstaffel“) changed over time. In 1937 it was located in Trossingen and in 1938 it was moved to Freiburg. It was obviously in Freiburg towards the end of the war as the DAL listing shows but according to the posting above it also appears to have been located in Konstanz at some point.

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    Thank you very much d'alquen for your answer and your help !

    Do you know if there is somewhere a listing with the SS Motor-Standarten locations (similar to the "Fußstandarten") ?

    Of course the best would be the "Standarten" and... "Sturme"

    Thanks again !

    P.

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    If you are looking for the pre-1938 listing of units and their locations you will find a list of SS-Motoreinheiten at the end of the 1937 DAL but it does not list the staffeln. The various sub-units and locations of the Motoreinheiten can be found scattered through documents.
    However, that particular structure had only been in place since 1935 as the motorised units had also been re-organised in 1935. So, it is quite a complex job tracking units.

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    Actually the 1937 DAL listing does show the unit locations. I was erroneously thinking of the SS Organisation Book listings of the same date which only shows the Oberabschnitt affiliation and the strength of the units.
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    AMAZING info.

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    Thanks for the additionnal information !

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