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    I just felt the hair stand up on the back of my neck,,from the collective of Koch
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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    Please allow me to express my thanks to Mr. Bias, F-B, Mr. Delich and Mr. d'alquen for their contributions to this thread.
    Ilse Koch's smile would soon fade.
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Size:  145.0 KBTransformed....of course, Karl Otto's grin was eradicated by the SS, itself.
    I await the new biography of Eicke with great interest, but my combing of my book stores in Berlin and Wien has been abated....
    Thanks to others.
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    damit, basta.

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    Ilse Koch hanged herself in prison in the year 1967.

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    There today exists an interesting literature on a non spectacular foundation on such SS women in their variety.
    damit, basta.

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    Once again, you have treated us to something outstanding. I never knew this man's insignia survived.

    My gratitude to you and Dave and the owner for sharing them here. I am in your debt again!

    Cheers, Ade.
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    Karl and Ilse Koch were indeed among the most despicable persons of the Third Reich period (in which despicable persons were not exactly scarce to begin with).

    At least - unlike some others - they got what they deserved, which is particularly satisfying in the case of Karl Koch's downfall courtesy of Messrs. zu Waldeck-Pyrmont & Morgen and, ultimately, his execution by the SS at the Buchenwald camp. Had he surived the war to find himself indicted, sentenced and executed by the Allies, he would have probably considered himself a martyr for the Nazi cause.

    By the way, the photo of Koch and his first-born child Artwin seen in post # 20 is from a photo album commissioned by the Kochs as a gift for Artwin. (In the album, the photo was captioned "Papi macht Witzchen." ["Daddy is joking"])

    76 pages long, the album was manufactured in the concentration camp's book bindery, with handwritten captions and drawings made by an inmate. Some of its pages can be seen here: "Papi macht Witzchen" | MDR.DE (use the "arrow"- or "number" buttons in the right half of the page to navigate.)

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    Karl and Ilse Koch were indeed among the most despicable persons of the Third Reich period (in which despicable persons were not exactly scarce to begin with).

    At least - unlike some others - they got what they deserved, which is particularly satisfying in the case of Karl Koch's downfall courtesy of Messrs. zu Waldeck-Pyrmont & Morgen and, ultimately, his execution by the SS at the Buchenwald camp. Had he surived the war to find himself indicted, sentenced and executed by the Allies, he would have probably considered himself a martyr for the Nazi cause.

    By the way, the photo of Koch and his first-born child Artwin seen in post # 20 is from a photo album commissioned by the Kochs as a gift for Artwin. (In the album, the photo was captioned "Papi macht Witzchen." ["Daddy is joking"])

    76 pages long, the album was manufactured in the concentration camp's book bindery, with handwritten captions and drawings made by an inmate. Some of its pages can be seen here: "Papi macht Witzchen" | MDR.DE (use the "arrow"- or "number" buttons in the right half of the page to navigate.)
    Thanks for this nice addition. Apparently another of Koch's photo albums ended up with the NKVD or GRU and formed the subject of an exhibition elsewhere.
    Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk is my favorite, in fact, as their documentaries are always highly pleasing. The Koch album is as repugnant as the persons themselves, with the haute bourgeois false idylle erected atop the human misery of state terror.
    Thanks for including it, and such is a useful corrective to all the hoo haa about tank killers and others who are made somehow to have lived separate from the regime.
    A handful of Himmler's albums exist in the Hoover Institution in Stanford, but I do not recall them as being nearly as creepy as this Koch one.
    damit, basta.

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    Once again, you have treated us to something outstanding. I never knew this man's insignia survived.

    My gratitude to you and Dave and the owner for sharing them here. I am in your debt again!

    Cheers, Ade.
    All thanks go to you for your care and guidance of this site--in contrast to the others---and to Dave Delich, who is very generous and has many fine contacts and treasures.

    I would also note, in passing, that we strive here to be unlike the other site, where the forces that act against knowledge and civilization are generally ascendent, something that we do not allow here.

    Warm thanks to our stalwarts here for their always informed and constructive roles on this site.

    Greetings also to Bavaria, which I miss quite a bit. Austerity means my absence from there, as well as my having greatly reduced my green house gases in favor of pressing my old nose against the glass from afar.
    damit, basta.

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Size:  43.5 KBThis image is from the other Koch album, a barracks clothing locker which shows that the SSPB Mann was well equipped, or at least this person had two peaked caps and at least three tunics....included are images of SSTV recruits and the humiliation of prisoners. The latter is more telling than any image devoted to Uniformkunde.
    damit, basta.

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Size:  20.0 KBThis volume I like very much on the theme of women and the SS. The reviewer at the on line thingy liked it less than do I, but my viewpoint is less critical. Daniel Goldhagen revived the Ilse Koch trope with the Hitler's Willing Executioner book in 1996, a book I dislike very much, but I have not read all the sound works on women as participants in the SS system and surely eschew the pornographic aspect of same that appeals to a certain readership out there....
    damit, basta.

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