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03-24-2012 08:09 PM
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
The portrait of the officer with the SS Degen is likely from 1936, and indeed, this grey uniform was well in use in the SSVT at just this time. The grey cap with the SA/SS badge is to be seen in Mollo, vol. III as well as many images we have posted here in these threads, as well as in various other sources. The grey uniform was in use well before 1938, in fact. We have many images, especially from Mr. d'Alquen, who is the real master of this material, to illustrate my generalization and maybe he will post them. Hitler made a late 1935 visit to the barracks in Berlin Lichterfelde to address his LAH, and one can see much of the officer corps in grey uniform with just such a cap. The photo reportage of the LAH in grey uniform in late 1935 is widely reproduced and I will find an image. See also the illustration on p. 37 of vol. III of Mollo.
The Weidinger books on Das Reich also have illustrations of this early grey uniform in its variety, as do other works in some number. The earth grey uniform came into use in 1934, actually, and is so listed in the price list, here enclosed. The grey peaked cap is present the next year, as much as I can determine, but is not in the lists I have seen.
A dead Himmler leaves behind riddles and enigmas that confound generations unborn.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 03-24-2012 at 08:48 PM.
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
I take your point about fake pictures, but one fact you exclude to your own detriment is this: military tailoring is hardly a widespread art today, and one can rapidly tell a uniform that does not fit well. The uniforms worn by this Austrian, Preuer, fit well. I have about three plus decades of work in archives, museums, and other historical holdings, and am well aware of fake images. However, these strike me as authentic. Also, the fakers are often poorly educated, have little insight into the finer points of SS regalia, and the grey cap on this officer's head is especially of the species of the year in question, a generalization that arises from the ownership of more than one authentic SS peaked cap for officers of this era. Also, as you also know, SSVT D was filled with Austrian illegal Nazis who had fled after 1933/4, and Preuer, the man in question, was one of these men.
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
Here are two pre-war grey caps in my collection. One has a price tag from the brauner Laden, Globus, in Nuremberg, and it indeed may be from the year 1935, though I would not swear to it. The other cap has its badges and buttons marked to the year 1938. It was sold to me as earth grey, but you can see here it is close to field grey. In real life, it looks pretty grey, too, i.e. Rw grey.....
The price tag, or price list tag in the grey cap is similar to this one from a black cap of mine, also from the year 1935, which is in the Shea Beaver book.
Such tags indicate the item number, and, it seems, the date of the price list or inventory list. In fact, such a system is still used in Austria, at least in one hat store I buy from.....
these places today sell no such caps of the type I include here.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 03-25-2012 at 12:51 AM.
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
Mr. d'Alquen, though, is the real master of all this photo research.
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
"What a good portrait. Quintessential SS-VT and a clear view of the early grey cap. Personally I would have been inclined to think this picture was taken in 1935. I'm not an edged weapon collector and can't recall seeing a document giving the date for the introduction of the SS-Degen."
The photo was discussed elsewhere on the site, HPL going for a date of 1936 for the picture and me for 1935.
d'Alquen
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
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d'alquen
"What a good portrait. Quintessential SS-VT and a clear view of the early grey cap. Personally I would have been inclined to think this picture was taken in 1935. I'm not an edged weapon collector and can't recall seeing a document giving the date for the introduction of the SS-Degen."
The photo was discussed elsewhere on the site, HPL going for a date of 1936 for the picture and me for 1935.
d'Alquen
Thanks.
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Re: Was this SS uniform possible?
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d'alquen
Siegfried B,
The wearing of a first pattern eagle on the grey uniform, whilst not commonly encountered, can be found in period pictures of the SS-VT.
Here for example is a picture of Karl Kreutz taken in January 1936 wearing the badge. Most of his fellow LAH officers at this time preferred an army eagle.
d'Alquen
Thanks, again. I knew you have many such fine images. Marvelous cap.
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