Unusual badge symbols

[walt]

Purchased in 1970 gun, relic shop near Fredericksburg, VA.

[walt]

Sorry, badge measures appx. 3/4" flat to flat, back reads RZ , M5/82

[gel65]

Looks like some kind of fantasy pin not original ww2 IMO

[stuka f]

I wouldn't say it is not original to WWII !
Seems Dutch to me!
Any chance to see the rear side?
cheers
|<ris

[HPL2008]

A fantasy item for sure.

See here for another one (including a reverse view) on the AHF:
Axis History Forum &bull; View topic - Help with identifying a pin...

Still, as for the symbols used on the badge: Apart from the generic Swastika and SS runes, they are all indeed Dutch-NSB related:

In addition to the "Wolf Hook" as used by the Weer Afdeelingen and the Dutch Germanic SS (bottom center), you have the symbol for the Nationaal Socialistische Vrouwen Organisatie (N.S.V.O.) (top left), the Nederlandsch Agrarisch Front (top right) and the Nationale Jeugdstorm (top center).

Notice though that the badge is upside down!

[walt]

Shortly after purchase took to collectors show. A respected dealer told me it was Dutch. Been stored ever since. Any value?

Thanks for all the comments.

[walt]

I wouldn't say it is not original to WWII !
Seems Dutch to me!
Any chance to see the rear side?
cheers
|<ris

Damned pin keeps me from scanning.

[stuka f]

A fantasy item for sure.

See here for another one (including a reverse view) on the AHF:
Axis History Forum • View topic - Help with identifying a pin...

Still, as for the symbols used on the badge: Apart from the generic Swastika and SS runes, they are all indeed Dutch-NSB related:

In addition to the "Wolf Hook" as used by the Weer Afdeelingen and the Dutch Germanic SS (bottom center), you have the symbol for the Nationaal Socialistische Vrouwen Organisatie (N.S.V.O.) (top left), the Nederlandsch Agrarisch Front (top right) and the Nationale Jeugdstorm (top center).

Notice though that the badge is upside down!

I can only agree, and say I am wrong !
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[Winkelman]

The appearance of a drawing in the pre-1970 publication of R. KAHL ( page 120 ) has led to the manufacture of these low quality badges .
What I remember most were the feeble pin & weird green enamel .

The badge in itself , however , is NOT entirely a fantasy piece - the drawing was based on an extremely rare Dutch original .

The original badge was larger in size , and made of white metal - without enamel .
Since the fakers had only the drawing to work from , the outcome may be considered a fantasy execution of an existing badge ..

[Winkelman]

Here's the drawing as it appeared in " R. Kahl - Insignia , decorations and badges of the Third Reich and occupied countries " .
At the time , one of the very first publications to cover Dutch collaboration badges ..