01-06-2014 09:11 PM
I have trouble with there being just (1) verified M18 style BSP helmet being posted and that one example being the sole example by which all legit BSP's are judged. From a factual point, we don't know that the black civvy's are bad BSP helmets at all.
I would like it far better if there were at least 10 blue ones, in known collections, with the exact same decals as the M18 and, even then, we still would not be certain they didn't change over to a different shell and decals at some point.
How do we know emphatically that early elongated decal wasn't realized as being kind of stupid looking and a new one designed and the BSP wanted blk civvy's used....? If the fakers were going to do up some BSP lids why not use fairly plentiful WWI shells and phony early style decals? To my knowledge there isn't a BSP expert on any forum but maybe a guy like Joe Wotka would come close.
I would only ask an open mind, completely shut down when evidence is to the fore?
I am a bit of a cnut at times but only through passion for my hobby.
I really don't mind being wrong at all, I just want to be sure and I don't think the self professed god type is the answer.
Go to HWG3 or whatever but understand you are the 'punt' for better or worse.
Form your own opinion based on the fact you have available, you will find that has not changed that much over the years, just the punt!
There are real examples of BSP helmets on civic shells as well as M18 style shells such as my example. The problems with the helmet that started this thread, and the helmets depicted in posts 15,16,17,18 and 58 are the decals. Since this thread started 5 years ago I have seen 2 black M18 civic style helmets with single 7 hole pepper pot vents at shows, each virtually identical to the one that started this thread. Both had decals identical to the decals on the helmet in post 1. In hand, the composition of the decals on those examples was palpably different than the composition of the decals on my example, the one that Al B. now owns, and the 2 other original examples that I have examined in hand. The graphics and print techniques were also quite different. Since this thread started 5 years ago, and since my first post on this thread, I have gradually come to the conclusion that every one of the BSP helmets that I have held or seen in pictures that is a black, M18 civic style shell, with single 7 hole pepper pot vents, and adjourned with these decals, is, regrettably, a reproduction. This opinion has been fortified by the information from Munich in posts 56 and 60. It is, however, just my 2 cents, which, if you ask my wife, aren't worth a penny. Cheers, Jim G.
Last edited by helmet2id; 01-07-2014 at 08:35 AM.
You will have to do better than post 56 since it does not realey state much?
Behave and start to ask why all of the 4 on here are wrong? really, they may well be but since we are not seeing all of these single peperpots that must of course be out there to re-enforce your opinion, WTF!
Unlike you I will remain polite and a gentleman. I do not understand why you insist on carrying on a debate with me, but I am done with any further conversation with you. Once a forum member puts words into my mouth it proves their ignorance and their motives are usually dollar driven, and that says it all.
I have no idea what a KKK post is and my post above was not a snipe at you, I thought you would see the obvious decal design and construction differences. However putting words into my mouth is where I draw the line.
I do not own a BsP helmet, but then, neither do you.
In closing, your request to have an open mind is a request for members to accept what certainly appears to be a reproduction so you can benefit through a sale.
Perhaps you can put some of your future eBay eDollars from your eBay selldown towards some courses on spelling, I believe you spelled cnut wrong. (that my Scottish friend, was a snipe...just so you know the difference)
Cheers and Cheerio,
In the future my opinion will remain silent on this forum, I can't be bothered putting up with taunts and reprimands from "members" who have only $$$ in mind and discussion devolves into the neanderthal.
Jock could not behave in a gentlemanly way even after being given a written warning and infraction for his behavior. The integrity of this Forum needs to be upheld so Jock is now gone.
LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.