Re: A couple of Relics - Number 2
Five ...... damn!!! wish I'da seen them. Wouldn't have saved any pix by chance?
" When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble, give a whistle "
11-25-2012 10:05 AM
I would have to disagree on the number of resistance fighters mentioned in this thread..A national archive data-base has SO FAR listed 70.000+ people acting in the resistance movement...Yes,the number of spectular railroad saboteurs and hardcore drop container receive groups was low,perhaps 1000+ people...The Danish Brigade that was trained as a regular army unit in secret in Sweden numbered 5000 men .... Danish merchant seemen who sailed in Allied convoy shipping numbered between 7000 to 8000 sailors .... Danish nationals serving in Allied armys numbers in 1000 to 2000 people,some being trained as parachute resistance instructors&organizers ... The Danish nationals who "in there 1000s" fought for Germany also deserves not to stand alone !! A TOTAL of 10.000 nationals tried to join the German forces and 6000 was accepted...
ABOUT HALF of these people was Germans who was living in the border lands between our 2 nations,living in Denmark as Danish nationals but thinking,feeling,dreaming in German ... People who got "stuck" on this side of the border of 1920 .... As you very well know a free election of Danish independent political parties was held in marts of 1943...The highest number of voters ever to be registeret in our democratic history...
And how did this election go ?? The Danish Nat.Soc.Party,which half of the volunteers belonged to,got------2.1 % of all votes !!!
You Sir should check your facts ....
About the HD helmet,its bad !!! The liberation went very peacefull(the German HQ had surrendered)so there was only little fighting...Which was a good thing,considering the number of 230.000 Wehrmacht troops on duty in Denmark,and I can see no reason WHY a HD helmet should have been blown up !! It didnt happen in fighting Im sure....
The resistance movement used loads of Wehrmacht gear and there is many examples of "personal" markings on helmets...Also HD markings but I would say this is not one of them...The man is wearing a Chezk helmet which was issued by the Germans to the workers of the railroads for protection...Also these helmets excist today bearing different resistance marks...
Thankyou for your comments PeterPaul- but I have long since moved this and another similar relic into the "what was I thinking" box in the garden shed.
Too many thumbs down for me...
" When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble, give a whistle "
So I am not alone in haveing a collection in the shed !! Disturbeing...
Do you have photos of yours of this lid that you can show Dan?
Or did an "in hand" assessment confirm the thumbs down from some of the guys?
Just curious mate.
Welcome to the forum.
Its a little unclear to whom you direct your post, as you give no indication?
If to me, then I would say that you are more than a little confused and seem to be mixing numbers and nationals.
(Again, if to me) I specifically mentioned ACTIVE resistance fighters. Meaning folks who actually squeezed a trigger or placed and detonated explosives. That number was quite low and I stand by that. Its pretty well documented.
Again if a correction to my numerous posts in this thread, you seem to think there were 70K resistance fighters!!!
As I mentioned a significantly smaller number of ACTIVE fighters, your number is laughable and further more, you are wrong.
In a small country with less than four million people, they would have had to be stepping on each others toes in order to get to blow something up.
As active as Kieler, 'Flammen & the Citronen' were for example, there would not have been enough Germans or installations to go around, LOL!
I acutally did mention, that there were a larger number supporting the active resistance fighters (food, housing, supplies etc).
They are of course NOT counted amongst the ACTIVE fighters (those who shot Germans, HIPOs or blew stuff up).
The Danish Brigade are not counted by anybody amongst active resistance fighters by anybody other than you, nor were they considered ANY form of resistance movement in any way, shape or form.
That they had members fleeing from DK and who had belonged to the Resistance Movement is neither here nor there.
The Danish Brigade was considered a military unit and was held back. They didnt step foot on Danish soil until the Germans capitulated and played no active role in the resistance (apart from those of the resistance movement fleeing to Sweden).
As mentioned, I believe you are a tad confused as to their role.
Neither are the Merchant Marine sailors who sailed in convoys for the Allies to Murmansk etc counted as active resistance fighters. They did a brave job and never got much reqognition, but that is neither here nor there.
This is were it gets murky; you post to disagree with the numbers of Danish resistance fighters and then as an argument use those who actively sought to be a part of the German war machine!!!!!?????
Are you drunk?
So, to recap; you burst into the forum with no intro and a rambling confused post. That is no problem per se - except that I have to waste time answering a futile post.
Thats also okay. Its Christmas soon and further more late Friday in your country. I believe your confused writings are under the influence of alcohol or something like that. So lets try again, when you have sobered up
I assume you are of Danish nationality like myself and so will be able to read the following link: Heltearkiv afslører modstandsfolk - Politiken.dk
By far most of these people was not active daredevil sabotuers,but belonged to the military underground army which was organised on direct wish of the SOE in Londen ... There even was a full halt in sabotage so everybody could put all time and effort into these groups..Were these men not resistance ?? They was to emerge from underground hiding when/if the Western Allies reach Denmark and aid in the fighting...Dont be mistaken,if caught by Gestapo the punishment for being in such a "sleeping" group was life in(German)prison or KZ !! The Brigade was no match to the Wehrmacht and it never was intended to be,they were intended to aid in liberating our country,IF it came to a fight..Are they not resistance ?? The Danish police force was rightfully suspected by the Gestapo to have ties to the resistance and in a surprise arrest 2000 was send in KZ in 1944...The rest of the force,about 8000 men,went underground in hiding and joined the resistance in one way or another...Some became fighters,most didnt,military "sleeper" cells,police investigation of snitches and other things..Were these men not resistance ??
Problem is that you in your post portrait Denmark as somewhat of a small Austeria where the pro-nazism was widespread...That is not true...
I have been member of this forum some time but have not found reason to write,but this porteait of "1000s who fought for Germany" is simply not the entire truth..
Hmmmm PeterPaul, I dont know, if you are deliberately being obtuse....
You keep going in circles and your arguments bite their own tail.
I only saw, that your very FIRST post on the forum was in this thread.
You are again woefully wrong. Actually several. thousands of Danes DID fight ACTIVELY for Germany during WWII.
Thousands more were not on the frontlines but still joined and wore a uniform.
I believe, that you have now totally gone off your rocker. The following quote from an above post is in direct contradiction with your statement
It might be the jumbled together, confused and babbling manner of your writings. Or it might be, that you simply have the facts wrong. What ever the cause, you have now made me waste even more time defending the simple statement, that there were less ACTIVE resistance fighters in Denmark than those in a supportive role.
Your writings seem suspiciously close to trolling at best - at worst you come over sounding like a fool.
Maybe its because you are emotional - try to tuck the national feelings away for a moment and look at what actually happened.
Quite frankly, in light of the above - this is an insult.
Well,I dont want to troll this great forum and certainly not a countrymen...There was 10.000 mationals trying to join the Wehrmacht and 6000 was accepted...That number is firm I think...
The Danish resistance was VERY slow indeed because of the goverment coorperation politics..The national archives list,so far,70.000 people who in some way or another is counted as resistance...
This high number also counts the socalled "last days holy" resistance fighters,ppl who joined closely to the time of liberation...