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A factory second? ......you be the judge

Article about: This is being sold as a factory mis-strike. ( a helmet that has torn in the forming process ) As a toolmaker I can say that this is true - the tear on the edge is indicative of what can happ

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    Default A factory second? ......you be the judge

    This is being sold as a factory mis-strike. ( a helmet that has torn in the forming process )

    As a toolmaker I can say that this is true - the tear on the edge is indicative of what can happen in a deep drawing process like this if the platen has insufficient drawing oil on it and a tear occurs.

    Is it collectable? - probably it is for the helmet collector who has everything else ...... hint hint Mr B

    BUT, is it legitimate from the TR era .... or a Chinese / Indian copy? How could we tell?
    And how has a piece of scrap survived 70 years? ...... it beggars belief! With no direct provenance I would forever question it's legitimacy.

    But I thought you would like to see it anyway because this is how helmets were made .....
    Cheers, Dan
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    Too hard to say for sure Dan, but I'm going with a Chinese/Indian failure.
    The 2 crease/folds on the front visor are strange to me, the tear makes sense due to lack of drawing oil.
    I can't say I would want this personally, without provenance of it's origin.

    Brad.

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    I saw this on ebay not long ago, I thought about the color of the rust and how it was still so shiny in other areas.

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    Yeah........ok. No thanks Dan, I'd rather die.

    Brad nailed it IMO.

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    Quote by Danmark View Post
    This is being sold as a factory mis-strike. BUT, is it legitimate.... or a Chinese / Indian copy? How could we tell? With no direct provenance I would forever question it's legitimacy.
    Cheers, Dan
    Yes Brad nailed it but I owned the hammer.
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    It'd be great if you could get somebody to analyse the steel!..
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    Quote by Danmark View Post
    Yes Brad nailed it but I held the hammer.
    You got the hammer Dan, but I'll be buggered if I'm gonna hold the nail, lol

    Brad

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    Maybe its an extremely rare, previously unseen pattern of helmet with the corks and strings missing from around the edge...
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    Quote by Lidman View Post
    Too hard to say for sure Dan, but I'm going with a Chinese/Indian failure.
    The 2 crease/folds on the front visor are strange to me, the tear makes sense due to lack of drawing oil.
    I can't say I would want this personally, without provenance of it's origin.

    Brad.
    I tend to agree.

    I know that this has been shown before, but if you look at 0.42 you can see that the flanges are are just a little better than the one that you have shown.

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    Tim

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