Fake Luftwaffe Decal?

**Adravor** · 07-14-2019, 09:53 PM

Hello Forum,

Theres a helmet on sale, the Helmet looks like an Original Shell to me.
I dont have much expierience on colours, but i think it has also been repainted because it does not have the more shiny look the originals have.
The lining looks way to good and new, i would guess its a reproduction.
So, i think the denazified Luftwaffe decal is also a reproduction, but in my eye it looks relatively good... so i would like to ask if it is indeed an reproduction and how you recognize that it is.

Regards,
A.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 07-14-2019 09:53 PM

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**MAP** · 07-14-2019, 10:08 PM

Sorry. This is one to pass on.

New paint and repro liner.

Decal in needless to say bad as well as this is a late war "no decal" helmet as we can see from the Lot #.

As a primer, I recommend you read through all the sections on Franks website.

German Helmet Vault – Collecting German WW2 helmets

**Blackdog** · 07-14-2019, 10:11 PM

The shell is original, but as you said, the liner is a reproduction - it has no age to it at all and check out the D ring.
The decal is a repro, graphically it is not correct, also the print quality is very poor and lacks detail.

**Adravor** · 07-14-2019, 10:20 PM

I knew that MAP, i just wanted more information on the decal, and how i can find out that it is fake.
But still thank you.

**Adravor** · 07-14-2019, 10:24 PM

Whats grapically wrong? What are points i could look for? So far i aim for the most obvious details like the Head and the Claws, but i´m still missing much i guess, so anymore tipps are greatly appreciated.

*Edit* As i compared it again, i found a most obvious detail, the beak is wrong for a Decal of this maker...

**MAP** · 07-14-2019, 10:29 PM

by Adravor

I knew that MAP, i just wanted more information on the decal, and how i can find out that it is fake.
But still thank you.

No problem. I didn't comment on the decal as it was ipso de facto a repo

Agree with Blackdog. When comparing to what it is supposed to be (2nd pattern dot-less ET/Q) the fine details are different. Hard to explain, but comparing to an original, you can easily pick out differences.

I'm no decal guru. I don't study or memorize the fakes. I only compare to originals.

**real steel** · 07-14-2019, 10:34 PM

Agree with replies...nothing good here.
MAP did recommend a "not for profit" educational site to see the details of a repro decal vs. an original.
D.

**Blackdog** · 07-14-2019, 10:41 PM

Always good to try to spot the subtle differences yourself, you will find it much more rewarding.

**Adravor** · 07-14-2019, 10:42 PM

I used one, still missed the details... but, i learn. I wanna first specialise myself on recognizing fake Helmets, Decals and Paints and then move to other fields.
The forum is a truly great help, thank you very much for this.

**HoundsTooth** · 07-15-2019, 08:24 AM

by Adravor

Whats grapically wrong? What are points i could look for? So far i aim for the most obvious details like the Head and the Claws, but i´m still missing much i guess, so anymore tipps are greatly appreciated.

*Edit* As i compared it again, i found a most obvious detail, the beak is wrong for a Decal of this maker...

And the claws. This has been discussed here before and this is often a good place to start looking for any discrepancies.
Nick