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M35 DD Heer named battledamaged(?)

Article about: by Gunny Hartmann If the "hit" had come from the outside the folded edges on the hole in the liner band would be on the inside, with the folded edges being on the outside surface o

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    This is my latest auction adventure (read all about the adventure here http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/steel-...marine-336151/)

    Its a M35 Double decal Heer.
    ET64 with Lot# 3886
    Its named "Hahn"scratched in the back. You can see it in one of the pictures.

    These round things are really hard to photograph and it was difficult to get good pics of the inside and the hole in the back.
    The liner looks like it has been cut out a piece (blood stains?) but may just been torn.
    I could twist the liner out a bit since one rivet is missing, that's how I got the picture of the text in the rim.

    Most interesting I think is the hole in the back. It looks as something hit it at an angle and made a hole.
    Something hit it for sure but then what happened I can't say. I am not a ballistics expert at all.

    For me it's a lid with character, I like it a lot. If it is a battle damage or not I guess no one can say for sure but I like to think so

    Sorry about the huge amounts of pics and thanks for looking.
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    Yup, looks like likely battle damage.

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    I don't think this is "battle damage" the hole in the liner band looks like it was made with a pick axe from the inside!....
    It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.



    I'm Spartacus, not really i'm Paul!...

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    My theory...

    I am quite sure it was not made by a pick axe from the inside.
    What ever happened the hit came from the outside. Could be shrapnel damage and by the angle I'm not convinced it caused any damage to the head. At least not lethal.

    But I am not an expert in any way!
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    If the "hit" had come from the outside the folded edges on the hole in the liner band would be on the inside, with the folded edges being on the outside surface of the band it denotes a hit from the inside of the helmet.
    It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.



    I'm Spartacus, not really i'm Paul!...

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    Im glad you got it.
    Did you managed to convince them in lowering the price?
    Cheers
    Nuno

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    Quote by Gunny Hartmann View Post
    If the "hit" had come from the outside the folded edges on the hole in the liner band would be on the inside, with the folded edges being on the outside surface of the band it denotes a hit from the inside of the helmet.
    Yes I know I saw that too, but on the inside the liner does not have a corresponding damage. The liner is almost undamaged in that spot.
    It's hard to see this with the pictures but it is clearer when you have the lid in your hands.

    I guess some metal parts started spinning and created that effect. When metal travels at high speed strange things happen.

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    Quote by NunoGTI View Post
    Im glad you got it.
    Did you managed to convince them in lowering the price?
    Cheers
    Nuno
    Thanks I'm glad i decided to buy it.
    He reduced the price with only 15%, but it was too good deal to let go anyways.
    Had it been a real KM the price was a steal but now it was just a really good bargain.

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    Fantastic helmet, I can see both arguments as too the damage, I at first thought the hole in the liner band was anexit hole until I saw your pic in description, the speculation makes it all the more interesting.

    Cheers Phill

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    Ok now I took a closer look at the hole and the damage on the inside.
    I could not get it together with one hit so I went all CSI on this.

    My conclusion is that it has been hit with 3 shots, bullets or shrapnel.
    One is on the outside, you can clearly see the mark.
    The other two are from the inside and out. I did not notice the damage in the liner at first because it must have been a very small caliber (".22?) or small shrapnel. The holes in the liner are hardly noticeable.

    It was confusing since all hits are at the same spot, and a strange spot to. And they made kind of a pattern.
    So I was wrong in my first guess but now it makes sense. But target practice, battle damage I can't say.
    And why is the liner cut? Cant figure that out.

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