Quist M40/42 Details & Lot Number - Assistance please?

[Jg26]

Hi All,

Hoping a more knowledgeable member may be able to assist. A colleague was given this Stahlhelm some time ago, previous history unknown. From my basic knowledge I think I can make out the following:

Quist M40 Pattern?
Q64 (Quist 64)
Lot Number DN197
One seriously seedy 70's gloss black biker paintjob with SS Runes...

I see what appears to be Bluish Grey paint in some of the scratches, and from what I have researched someone else has a Quist DN194 lot that is definitely Luftwaffe. So....I am guessing this also may be the case. Is this a pretty low Lot Number???

Apologies for the average pics, they weren't from my phone!

Thanks in advance,

Dan

[Danmark]

Lot number book has DN197 around early 1942.
Others with same L/No are SD SS, SD Heer, SD Luft & DD Police so it could have been anything.

Shame to see what it's become

Dan

[Jg26]

Thanks for the reply Dan- interestingly enough I found a DD FeldPolizei Q64 DN197 previously sold on ww2germanhelmets.com....a "survivor's lot" perhaps?

Regards

Dan

[MAP]

Shame to see what it's become

Dan

If they only knew...not even a good "display" space filler unfortunately.

Where did you get the date Dan? Ice's book? I see helmets with a higher lot # on Frank's database with 40 dated liners but it could be replacement or old stock. FWIIW I have a DN148 dated 1940...

[Danmark]

Yes mate - Brians book.
I relied on his knowledge of the date the lot was made......

Cheers, Dan

[Brett]

My apologies for being pedantic, but the last photo does not appear to have front liner pins & the paint texture in the first two photos appears to be totally different.....On my monitor anyway.

Regards
Brett

[Danmark]

Maybe its been bogged or welded? Also looks like a sponge foam liner in there...

[Brett]

Just putting it out there Dan. I couldn't see a pin at 4am this morning while still groggy & I definitely can't see one now.

Regards
Brett

[Jg26]

Just to clarify, It's definitely all the same helmet - the outer surfaces I suspect have recieved many, many layers of paint and a touch of bog unfortunately. I don't have any pics of the liner (it still exists) but from what I have been told was just stuffed in there against foam now the liner pins are long gone. By all accounts a shame.

I still find it interesting though that 2 helmets have survived from the same batch - If my mathematics is correct (is it 500 Helmets per batch, 4000-5000 batches perhaps for Quist?) that's a lot of helmets around for 2 to survive out of a 500 Helmet lot....or am I wrong with these figures?

Regards,

Dan

[Danmark]

I dont believe any records survive telling us how many per batch/lot. Were they stamped weekly, fortnightly or ?????
Impossible to know really...
Cheers, another Dan