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Swords of the Third Reich, Imperial through 1945 - Quick Reference

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    "Hi fellow German Sword enthusiasts, this new thread on the subject of Imperial and Third Reich Swords is intended to be a pictorial and informational basic reference for sword collectors of the period stated per se. However, it is also intended for anyone out there who may have a casual or passing interest in the subject but most importantly, I hope that it will stimulate interest in both swords, their aesthetics and collecting attributes for those fellow collectors out there who are looking for a good, interesting and relatively inexpensive original field of German collectables. Relative to rarity and condition, German swords can be purchased from as little as 100 ($150) with even etched and some more exotic specimens at under 500. As with any collectables, the high end item can be very expensive and like most German collectables, there are rogues out there ready to rob us if given the opportunity. A case of buyer beware!!



    Some say "Condition is everything". I do not agree with this statement, I personally am of the opinion that I would rather have a poor specimen than no specimen at all! Ergo I would rather have a selection of 10 swords with some in less than mint condition that three mint swords. The quality and condition of an item being purchased is the prerogative of the buyer and not some onlooker. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

    So if this thread identifies, reassures or encourages any would be or indeed established sword collector, then it has done what it sets out to do. One last point, this is a forum, our forum, so please feel free to show what you have, ask what you want and pass constructive comment at will. Your swords, questions and comments are of great value to all!"

    Cheers Michael R

    1. List of posts covering related subjects (sword construction etc).

    a. Assembly. Post 23

    2. List of swords to date by manufacturer:

    a. Alexander Coppel - ALCOSO - ACS. Swords 1/2/3/4/5/6

    b. Weyersberg Kirschbaum & Cie - WKC. Swords 7/8/9/10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/20/21/22/23/24

    c. Carl Eickhorn - CE. Swords 25/26/27/28/29/30/31/32/33/34/35/36/37/38/39/40/41/42

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    e.

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    I have decided to amend my approach to my method of listing so will now start listing by manufacturer rather than as a random selection. Hopefully, this will give a better insight into the variations even when manufactured by the same establishment or firm. The swords which I will be showing are from my own collection but anyone with ANY swords to show is more than welcome to contribute especially if you have something controversial or that is likely to generate a conversation and help the thread along. I believe in constructive critisism so please feel free to disagree or pass comments on any statements, format or photos etc.

    The first three swords are Standard Pattern Army Officer's sabres. All are pattered dove head swords and bear the name of Alexander Coppel or ACS and sport the firm's logo of a set of scales. All have black enameled single ring scabbards and the hilts are of early brass type.
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    Last edited by Michael Ryan; 11-17-2014 at 12:24 PM.

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    Sword 1 (126).

    a. Obverse Langet. Political Eagle looking to its left with foliage to either side of its body.
    b. Reverse langet. Vertical oval escutchion encompassed by foliage.
    c. Rarety. Quite common.

    Sword 2 (128).

    a. Obverse Langet. Political Eagle looking to its right.
    b. Reverse langet. Plain outlined shield.
    c. Rarety. Scarse.

    Sword 3 (134).

    a. Obverse Langet. Military Eagle looking to its right.
    b. Reverse langet. Plain outlined shield.
    c. Rarety. Quite common.

    Sword 1 has a hilt of heavy cast type ornamentation whilst 2 and 3 have cut or impressed ornamentation and are identical other than the obverse langets.

    Please note the rarety is only my opinion.

    Hope these are of interest. Regards Michael R

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    Hi Again, Another minor change. I will now post the swords on an individual basis in order to keep the photos separate and avoid confusion. I hope!! The following three swords are again by ALCOSO.

    Sword 4 (171). Police sword.

    a. Obverse Langet. NA.
    b. Reverse langet. NA.
    c. Rarety. Quite scarce.

    Sword 5 (167). Army Lion Head sabre with ruby type glass eyes of similar identical pattern to Sword 1 above but with a lion head pommel. The sword is of early brass hilt construction but appears to hav a steel ferrule. Possibly transitional??

    a. Obverse Langet. Political Eagle looking to its left with foliage to either side of its body. Identical to Sword 1 above.
    b. Reverse langet. Vertical oval escutchion encompassed by foliage. Identical to Sword 1 above.
    c. Rarety. Quite Scarse.

    Sword 6 (173). Army Artillery Lion Head sabre with ruby type glass eyes. Due to the overall style and chunky feel of the sword I would call it Imperial rather than later however, similar swords were on offer during the TR period but usually with lighter more elegant blades and scabbards

    a. Obverse Langet. Crossed artillery cannon superimpossed over a foliage wreath.
    b. Reverse langet. Small plain shield of elegant style within a foliage wreath.
    c. Rarety. Quite common.

    Sword 4
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    Last edited by Larry C; 09-04-2014 at 09:50 PM.

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    Sword 5.
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    Last edited by Larry C; 09-04-2014 at 09:50 PM.

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    Sword 6.


    Hope that they are of interest.

    Regards Michael R
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    Last edited by Larry C; 09-04-2014 at 09:51 PM.

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    Hi Again, three more swords to view. I have switched manufacturer to WKC Weyersberg Kirschbaum and Cie of Solingen. All have standard single fuller blades and are leather scabbards with metal fittings.

    Sword 7 (174). Is in dire need of a clean and some TLC. It has a black scabbard with double ring brass suspension fittings and an etched blade. The backstrap is riveted. The Trade Mark is a King's Head coupled with a Knight's Helm over the initials "WKC".

    a. Obverse Langet. Plain.
    b. Reverse langet. Plain.
    c. Rarity. Quite scarce.
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    Sword 8 (155). This sword has a brown scabbard with double ring brass suspension fittings and a plain blade. The backstrap is riveted. The Trade Mark is a Knight's Helm over the initials "WKC". Additionaly, the blade is marked "Muhlenfeld Barmen", probably a wholesale seller?

    a. Obverse Langet. Plain.
    b. Reverse langet. Plain.
    c. Rarety. Quite rare.
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    Sword 9 (117). This sword has a brown scabbard with double ring nickel suspension fittings and an etched blade. The backstrap is riveted. The Trade Mark is a Knight's Helm over the initials "WKC".

    a. Obverse Langet. Plain.
    b. Reverse langet. Plain.
    c. Rarity. Rare.
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    Hello Once Again, Three more swords for viewing.

    Sword 10 (152) This sword has a standard black steel scabbard with a single ring suspension fitting and a plain blade. The backstrap is riveted with a pommel in the form of a jawless lion head cast in brass but devoid of glass eyes. The grip is of wood with a shagrin cover and brass wire wrap. The Trade Mark is a King's Head along side a Knight's Helm over the initials "WKC".

    a. Obverse Langet. Crossed cannon superimposed over foliage.
    b. Reverse langet. Small plain shield of elegant style within a foliage wreath of, left laurel (signifying victory) and right oak (signifying streangth).
    c. Rarety. Quite common.
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    Last edited by Larry C; 09-04-2014 at 09:53 PM.

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