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10-26-2011 10:54 PM
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
I know that you have invested a considerable sum of money into this ring, so I will be cautious here. The website that you point out with the Hitler ring, while I am not pointing fingers, I will say that the owner of this site does not have the firmest of fine reputations with everything. What you will need to definitely do in the case of your piece, is you absolutely must have it thoroughly researched and authenticated. Did your ring come with any papers of history or provenance? Did it come from a spotlessly honest dealer and what did he say as to it's background? I Very much hope that you have the one in a million ring that you can be proud of, but until you have an recognized authority with Top credentials examine it and write you out unimpeachable papers for it, I would be careful. William
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
A good start, for sure. Do any of these letters make mention of this ring or make mention of anyone with the initials inscribed? William
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
Hello Gerrit, I have no problem with the ring being genuine, but I do not accept the story that the website gives with their version being given to Hitler in 1941. From just a brief scanning of the internet, it appears that the city of Frankfurt am Main gave out these honor rings pretty much every year, for whatever various deeds the recipient had performed in their esteem. It should be no large problem for you to track down who the 1938 recipient was. For example, I see that Oberbereichsleiter Nikolaus Selzner was presented with one in 1936. Certainly, there must be a historical society in Frankfurt who could tell you of that years honoree. "R.H.T" should be findable. In the meantime, my original advise still should be paid heed and you almost surely should have it appraised by a high reputed authority there and have papers made for it. You may also consider having it Insured. It's a beautiful ring. But until you know it's full history, prize it for what it is and not for it's story! I seriously believe that the ring shown on the website you saw is probably also genuine but the Hitler story with it should be ignored. Good luck researching your excellent ring! William
William
"Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
William thanks for the advise, i didn't had any time yet to look into its history, its only 2 days in my possesion.
About your advise to let it be "appraised by a high reputed authority" that also crossed my mind, and after you mentioning it now i will do that after i have the paper work done.
I have a close friend who lives in Frankfurt so i will ask him to do a little research, whats are friend for He?
I dont believe the story about it being awarded to Hitler either, after a quick search i came to the same conclusion as you did
The ring itself is a real beauty as you stated.
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
It is indeed a beautiful ring and obviously jeweller constructed, but i would definately require a full provenance on this item, BEFORE purchase and have all documentation in hand, there is one particular area that would concern me, but there could be a number of explanations , I see that the ring is completely clean inside and out, even the internal areas of the inscription are totally devoid of any type of dirt or age, this maybe that the ring has never been worn, it has been stored in a completely dirt free environment, it has been professionally cleaned recently by chemical treatment, or the ring is a newly constructed piece, after all this time I would expect to see some form of tarnish, even gold will lose some lustre after a long period of non wearing but this piece is pristine and I for one would like to investigate why before purchase, I truly hope that for your sake this ring is the real deal and you can find all possible information on it to prove its authenticity, it would be my absolute priority before any more time elapses, just in case a refund is needed
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
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davejb
It is indeed a beautiful ring and obviously jeweller constructed, I see that the ring is completely clean inside and out, even the internal areas of the inscription are totally devoid of any type of dirt or age, this maybe that the ring has never been worn, it has been stored in a completely dirt free environment, it has been professionally cleaned recently by chemical treatment, or the ring is a newly constructed piece, after all this time I would expect to see some form of tarnish, even gold will lose some lustre after a long period of non wearing but this piece is pristine and I for one would like to investigate why before purchase, I truly hope that for your sake this ring is the real deal and you can find all possible information on it to prove its authenticity, it would be my absolute priority before any more time elapses, just in case a refund is needed
I have found golden objects of 200-300 years old with my metal detector, rings etc..i now for sure they are old and not worn in 200 years and still they shine like they are made yesterday without any cleaning.
I can say nothing about the way its being stored or if it was cleaned.
That info i did not have.
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Re: Ehrengabe Ring 1938, most beautiful Ring of the third Reich!
Gerrit, I used to deal with jewellers every day, and have seen how rings were brought in by customers for cleaning and the results that can be obtained as well as other jewellery, im not saying theres no possibility of this ring being the real deal, im advising caution and through my own dealings with the jewellery trade, passing that on, as for finding gold in the ground you must admit when found its dirty , wash the dirt off its shiney, but there will still be a tarnish because of the age, if you were to take those items to be cleaned you would see a very different gleam, i hope you are able to get the documents and certify your ring, regards Dave
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