US M1 - Captain Marked, Fixed Loop Schlueter
Title says it all. Not much else to say about it, other than it being the first M1 shell in my collection with painted rank. Helmet was acquired from a seller on Craigslist.
There is a laundry mark on the interior, however research has been unsuccessful.
Thanks for looking, and comments good or bad are welcome!
Very nice "s" pot with super rare raised brass buckle,the captains bars look too white/fresh for me which if that is the case a completely original steel pot has been ruined,obviously the marks could be removed but it's a slow process and some damage may occur with the OD paint underneath,but the shell is one of the best examples i've seen so that's a massive plus.wait for others to comment.
Interesting how someone touched up the bars with some black paint at the top. Like they made them too long and then decided to shorten them.
Nice USB micro scope photos of the white / black paint would sure help.
Would find it odd a faker would add the black paint. That is purely just a guess on my part.
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Agree on the Captains bars looking odd but the laundry mark only gives you 12 options.
06951084 Vail, Woodrow W. Hopkins, Texas 17 October 1939 1945
44171084 Valentine, Fred Andrew Sevier, Tennessee 6 February 1946 1927
17181084 Van, Velzen Henry J Sioux, Iowa 13 November 1945 1926
15211084 Varner, Richard E. Cook, Illinois 25 April 1946 1929
14001084 Veach, Henry S. Lauderdale, Alabama 1 July 1940 1921
36191084 Veley, Harry F. Van Buren, Michigan 18 August 1942 1914
31281084 Verespy, John J. New Haven, Connecticut 18 January 1943 1922
42081084 Vickers, Earl T. Mercer, New Jersey 23 November 1943 1925
36421084 Vieau, Louis J. Cheboygan, Michigan 20 January 1943 1923
17121084 Vivion, Joe H. Jasper, Missouri 3 October 1942 1924
33311084 Vogt, Albert F. Alaska 27 April 1942 1920
33971084 Vuich, Louis Mercer, Pennsylvania 22 May 1945 1927
What I think i am seeing are captains bars painted over existing captains bars, perhaps because of a wrongly positioned stencil? then the tops of the old ones have been touched up to hide the mistake. That could also be part of the old bar showing down the right side of the left bar. When and why i have no idea. Its a nice set though hopefully your research will come up trumps.
Rod
Looks like a darker shade of drab than black to me.
Greetings all,by BlackCat1982
Unfortunately, the Home | WWII US Army Enlistment Records (where the twelve individuals were derived from) website only provides enlisted personnel's info when conducting searches. If the OP's helmet was (in fact) owned by a Captain (or any commissioned officer), his Army Service Number (ASN) would not be available on said website. And too, if he initially enlisted and subsequently went to OCS or some other source of commissioning; his ASN would have changed when he was commissioned. I wish I could point to a means to determine the owner's identity, but I did wish to point out the "enlisted versus officer" paradigm with the 12 individuals posted as possible matches.
That said, if the captain's bars were added by a subsequent owner (military or otherwise) of the helmet, then the list of 12 may very well reflect V-1084's true identity. Thoughts complete.
Best,
V/r Lance
Hi All,
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
Regarding the laundry mark, I've tried researching the EM's noted above to see if any received a commission and reached the rank of Captain. So far, no luck. It could also be an officer's laundry mark, however typically I've seen officers include their entire ASN with "O" prefix, when marking items. Not saying this one didn't, so not ruling out this as his Officers laundry mark.
Regarding the rank, the photos make the bars look a lot cleaner than they are. I haven't viewed them under a loop just yet. IMO, I believe them to be original as the age matches the rest of the helmet.
The helmet was sourced from Craiglist, and the person believed it belonged to a family member. Unfortunately, the laundry mark doesn't jive with the family members name as the surname differed, and the family member was an NCO.
For what its worth, I paid $50 for the helmet, so even if the Captain's bars aren't original, still a more than fair deal considering it's a fixed loop Schlueter, with a raised bar buckle, so I can't really complain!
There does appear to be another name or inscription underneath the pencilled laundry mark, but it doesn't appear to match any of the enlisted mens names. I agree with what Lance says but I think the laundry mark was the mans enlisted number, as per the regulations.
Either way its a nice helmet for the price and on that I can't disagree.
Thanks, BlackCat! Unfortunately, there is no other name I can see. What I believe you're seeing are scratch marks from the liner. See photo below.
I snapped a few more photos of the rank in natural light. No photo editing (previous photos I lightened a bit) other than cropping.
Also, was able to take some photos under magnification. Below is the best one I could get (click image to enlarge) . For what it's worth, I see what I believe to be crazing in the area circled in red. Unfortunately, I'm using a camera phone (iPhone 5s), so not the best of photos.
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