Become our sponsor and display your banner here
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 29 of 29

7.92 carcano arrrrgh!

Article about: I've had this 7.92 carcano for about 2 years now and its driving me crazy. I'm taking a closer look at it again because I recently obtained a volkssturm armband I could possibly display with

  1. #21

    Default

    It's difficult to see why the Germans would have bothered to convert the rifles-they had captured the factories that made them and their ammo as well as most Italian army stocks of these in 1943 so there would be no real need to use further industrial effort to convert perfectly serviceable magazine rifles into single shot weapons of dubious utility-the Germans were quite used to having a variety of captured guns and different types of ammunition in service with the many different echelons of units-not ideal from a supply point of view but as I said a more effective mag rifle was more valuable than a single shot weapon.

  2. #22

    Default

    No way did the Germans convert these rifles...I agree with our friend Lithgow's post....
    Glenn
    Last edited by bigmacglenn; 10-07-2015 at 12:51 AM.

  3. #23
    PRE
    PRE is offline
    ?

    Default

    Quote by General von poopypants View Post
    @Pat.. The assumption of it being a volkssturm rifle comes from this rifle being coined a last ditch weapon. That statement alone makes one presume they were converted before the war ended. But the term is always said and never proved anywhere. Speculation for your view is very popular as well. I have no doubt they were sold to Arab nations after the war but the time of conversion still remains a mystery. Without some documentation I suppose every answer is plausible at this point.
    There's really no mystery or voodoo about their origins, so I don't know why we'd have to resort to speculation of who did what. OP's carbine is of the type converted in the 1950s-1960s in Italy, and for a Middle Eastern market. The Krieghoff conversions are wholly different, having very recognizable aspects which the post-war conversions lack entirely. It's a mistake to lump the two types together, as they are very different, and from different periods.

    There IS documentation for the Krieghoff conversions; these date to early 1945. One need only read the relevant chapters of Arendell's and Woodrum's 'Italy's Battle Rifle' and Wolfgang Riepe's 'Il Novantuno Mannlicher Carcano. Das italienische Waffensystem Modell 1891.' Another solid and reliable source is Riccio's 'Italian Small Arms of the First and Second World Wars.'

    Dismissing the German-converted Carcanos because 'it just doesn't make sense' is definitely taking the wrong route. I have several foreign produced, German-captured rifles and carbines which the German depots invested (probably) significant time and effort into to mark small parts, drill stocks for bolt take down ferrules, blue the bolts, polish the rear sight, inlet the stock for a sling slot and re-number other components. This makes no logistical sense to us now, but lo and behold, that's exactly what they did, and during wartime. Whether we like it/agree with it or not doesn't matter, they did it, and these same rifles and carbines are proof of that. Does it make a difference to the end user? No. But neither does it make sense tying up large amounts of money, personnel, logistics, trains and support systems to keep death camps operating in the waning months of the war when those same resources could have been included in the war effort, where it was needed most.

  4. #24

    Default

    Thanks for an Educational Thread...
    cheers, Glenn

  5. #25

    Default

    I didn't mean to group in the krieghoff conversion with the type I have. I have seen the krieghoff conversion marks on these rifles. On the type I have would you happen to know what the "S" on the bolt handle stands for, pre?
    We have met the enemy and have learned nothing more about him. I have, however, learned some things about myself. There are things men can do to one another that are sobering to the soul. It is one thing to reconcile these things with God, but another to square it with yourself. - Robert Leckie

  6. #26

    Default

    ;-) Could have swore it was the Carcano... MAS is a cool rifle, but strange. The Carcano actually bears some similarities to the Mosin, the magwell at a glance anyway.

  7. #27
    ?

    Default

    If you have read the web page i have attached www.il91.it and search in moschetto 38/7,92 ...
    The S on the lever mean that it was made afther war...Without S are in war time....

  8. #28
    PRE
    PRE is offline
    ?

    Default

    Quote by General von poopypants View Post
    I didn't mean to group in the krieghoff conversion with the type I have. I have seen the krieghoff conversion marks on these rifles. On the type I have would you happen to know what the "S" on the bolt handle stands for, pre?
    The large stamped 'S' is usually seen on the top of the receiver, and is believed to mean 'Spitzer,' an indication of the use of pointed German 7.92x57mm cartridges. This can also be found with less frequency on the bolt.

  9. #29

    Default

    Thanks to lokvar, glenn, Lithgow, Pre and the sources provided I am 100% convinced these were converted after the war. I am also 100% convinced there's a lot of misinformation on these rifles throughout the web, individuals and a couple of books. Thank you guys so much for answering a nagging question I've had for 2 years! My conclusion is that a lot of these rumors stated as fact were probably enhanced by the desire of dealers to unload these cheap rifles. When in doubt, always follow the money trail.. My next and only desire for a 7.92 carcano will be to find a krieghoff conversion. Thank you all again.
    We have met the enemy and have learned nothing more about him. I have, however, learned some things about myself. There are things men can do to one another that are sobering to the soul. It is one thing to reconcile these things with God, but another to square it with yourself. - Robert Leckie

Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123

Similar Threads

  1. Two Carcano's

    In World Firearms
    03-22-2015, 03:26 AM
  2. K98/Lebel/Carcano???????

    In Field equipment, kit and other
    09-23-2014, 09:10 PM
  3. Two Carcano Rifles

    In World Firearms
    04-09-2012, 09:53 PM
  4. 03-07-2012, 04:26 AM
  5. Question Carcano I.D.?

    In World Firearms
    02-12-2012, 12:02 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •