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9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

Article about: Hi, does someone have more information on this 9mm flare gun with "HUB schalldampfer 1944" stamped on the top of barrel, and what they were used for? I imagine the HUB is the 3 let

  1. #31

    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    Quote by Kilroy Was Here View Post
    Hi Ned, Who Neighs, you are right. How do you conclude that Herr billing was "definitely" familiar with horses?

    I guess all were "definitely"....... there were 10's of thousands of horses used by German army.

    Regards, Steve
    I reached that conclusion as what i genuinely believe the guns use is for would be of little use to someone not familiar with horses.

    Having this week spoken to a slaughterman of many years experience, he told me that the method for dispatching of horses is different than that of cattle. For instance, NEVER stand in front of a horse when administering the shot, they have a nasty habit of sometimes leaping forward onto the shooter! Whereas, cows go down like a ton of bricks. Also, he confirmed that the pistol is silenced as to not panic other horses in, for instance, stables, that may cause a broken leg or worse.

    In conclusion, i think this weapon is for use by a person who works with or cares for horses, and as such is a specialist piece for expert use only.

    Saying that all soldiers would be familiar with horses, and so could be expected to carry/use this weapon is obviously incorrect. As an analogy, most of us drive vehicles today, but how many can repair a simple breakdown? Not as many as you may think!

    Your thoughts are appreciated, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

  2. #32

    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    Quote by big ned View Post
    I reached that conclusion as what i genuinely believe the guns use is for would be of little use to someone not familiar with horses.

    Having this week spoken to a slaughterman of many years experience, he told me that the method for dispatching of horses is different than that of cattle. For instance, NEVER stand in front of a horse when administering the shot, they have a nasty habit of sometimes leaping forward onto the shooter! Whereas, cows go down like a ton of bricks. Also, he confirmed that the pistol is silenced as to not panic other horses in, for instance, stables, that may cause a broken leg or worse.

    In conclusion, i think this weapon is for use by a person who works with or cares for horses, and as such is a specialist piece for expert use only.

    Saying that all soldiers would be familiar with horses, and so could be expected to carry/use this weapon is obviously incorrect. As an analogy, most of us drive vehicles today, but how many can repair a simple breakdown? Not as many as you may think!

    Your thoughts are appreciated, Ned.
    Very Good Ned, thanks for your input and thoughts also. They seem to make sense.

    I never really thought of these theories for usage on Horses. This is very interesting. I will post more pics soon of this conversion.

    Regards, Steve

  3. #33

    Default HUB-L Weapons Info Found Schalldampfer

    Hi, here is some info I found on another forum about German WW2 "schalldampfer" silenced firearms. There are many good original photos that many may not have seen. You have to read the whole thread to get all the info and complete picture.

    Apparently the development "code name" for the silenced weapons was "HUB-L" or "Haube" which means "hood or cover"
    This is what is stamped on this flare gun I show, "HUB"

    In the thread they show many weapons they made schalldampfers for. This flare gun is not listed, but it says it not a complete list.

    This info fuels my feeling this might be an original Schalldampfer flare pistol I show.

    Suppressors/silencers for small arms. - Page 5 - WW2 in Color History Forum

    Suppressors/silencers for small arms. - Page 4 - WW2 in Color History Forum


    Regards, Steve


    Here is part of thread...Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.
    So lets try to make a list for a better look. The code name was "Haube" and the developement code HUB-L

    upgraded 03.03.08

    HUB-L21 bis L30 für Gewehre
    HUB-L21 für russische Gewehre
    HUB-L22 für das engliche Enfield-Gewehr
    HUB-L23 für den 98k (russ. System) Gutmann und Hufschmidt
    HUB-L23 für den K43 (russ. System)
    HUB-L24 unknown
    HUB-L25 für den 98K (Arado System)
    HUB-L26 für den 98K (Schätzle System)
    HUB-L27 für den 98k (russ. System) Weiterentwicklung des L23
    HUB-L28 für den K43 (russ. System)

    HUB-L31 bis L40 für Pistolen
    HUB-L31 P27 7,65mm (Arado System) Schneider - Opel
    HUB-L32 PP 7,65mm (Eißfeld System, Gummizylinder) Walther und Appel
    HUB-L3- Walther PP
    HUB-L3- Walther PPK (.22)
    HUB-L3- Pistole 08 (drilled barrel System)
    HUB-L3- Pistole 08 (ERMA System)
    HUB-L3- Pistole 08 (Parker Hale System)
    HUB-L3- Pistole Walther P38

    HUB-L41 bis L50 für Maschinenpistolen
    HUB-L41 MP 40 ( Arado Brandenburg)
    HUB-L42 MP 40 ( Schneider-Opel Berlin)
    HUB-L43 MP 40
    HUB-L41 MP 40 (n. A. neue Ausführung)
    HUB-L4- STEN Kopien MP 3008

    HUB-L51 bis ... für Maschinengewehre
    HUB-L53 MG 42 (Gustloff System) Fuhrhop

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    Default Re: HUB-L Weapons Info Found Schalldampfer

    Quote by Kilroy Was Here View Post
    Hi, here is some info I found on another forum about German WW2 "schalldampfer" silenced firearms. There are many good original photos that many may not have seen. You have to read the whole thread to get all the info and complete picture.

    Apparently the development "code name" for the silenced weapons was "HUB-L" or "Haube" which means "hood or cover"
    This is what is stamped on this flare gun I show, "HUB"

    In the thread they show many weapons they made schalldampfers for. This flare gun is not listed, but it says it not a complete list.

    This info fuels my feeling this might be an original Schalldampfer flare pistol I show.

    Suppressors/silencers for small arms. - Page 5 - WW2 in Color History Forum

    Suppressors/silencers for small arms. - Page 4 - WW2 in Color History Forum


    Regards, Steve


    Here is part of thread...Default Re: Suppressors/silencers for small arms.
    So lets try to make a list for a better look. The code name was "Haube" and the developement code HUB-L

    upgraded 03.03.08

    HUB-L21 bis L30 für Gewehre
    HUB-L21 für russische Gewehre
    HUB-L22 für das engliche Enfield-Gewehr
    HUB-L23 für den 98k (russ. System) Gutmann und Hufschmidt
    HUB-L23 für den K43 (russ. System)
    HUB-L24 unknown
    HUB-L25 für den 98K (Arado System)
    HUB-L26 für den 98K (Schätzle System)
    HUB-L27 für den 98k (russ. System) Weiterentwicklung des L23
    HUB-L28 für den K43 (russ. System)

    HUB-L31 bis L40 für Pistolen
    HUB-L31 P27 7,65mm (Arado System) Schneider - Opel
    HUB-L32 PP 7,65mm (Eißfeld System, Gummizylinder) Walther und Appel
    HUB-L3- Walther PP
    HUB-L3- Walther PPK (.22)
    HUB-L3- Pistole 08 (drilled barrel System)
    HUB-L3- Pistole 08 (ERMA System)
    HUB-L3- Pistole 08 (Parker Hale System)
    HUB-L3- Pistole Walther P38

    HUB-L41 bis L50 für Maschinenpistolen
    HUB-L41 MP 40 ( Arado Brandenburg)
    HUB-L42 MP 40 ( Schneider-Opel Berlin)
    HUB-L43 MP 40
    HUB-L41 MP 40 (n. A. neue Ausführung)
    HUB-L4- STEN Kopien MP 3008

    HUB-L51 bis ... für Maschinengewehre
    HUB-L53 MG 42 (Gustloff System) Fuhrhop
    Oh I'm gonna have to speak here. I might be hijacking HOWEVER, I have A REAL PROBLEM with rank being given out according to the number of posts a person puts out on that Site. I did join that site but I won't have anything to do with it now that I see how they grade people. It might be narrow minded on my part but I simply will not tolorate the system they have. I've seen brilliant Privates and hellish lieutenants, it's something I will not play with.

    Your Respectfully
    Michael

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    Default Re: HUB-L Weapons Info Found Schalldampfer

    Quote by Pompa Mike View Post
    Oh I'm gonna have to speak here. I might be hijacking HOWEVER, I have A REAL PROBLEM with rank being given out according to the number of posts a person puts out on that Site. I did join that site but I won't have anything to do with it now that I see how they grade people. It might be narrow minded on my part but I simply will not tolorate the system they have. I've seen brilliant Privates and hellish lieutenants, it's something I will not play with.

    Your Respectfully
    Michael
    Hi Mike, I do not care about how they grade people really, but this does sound kind of stupid.

    The information and photos supplied in this thread on schalldampfers was some what info I was was trying to research. If interested in this "ODD" converted flare gun I have shown, it would be worth reading fully to get the info.

    It's OK, if you don't want to, i just thought this would be an interesting topic.

    Regards, Steve

  6. #36

    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    Kilroy,
    I agree with everything you've said in this thread about the Flare Gun.

    I just have a huge problem with how that forum grades people.

    It's nothing personal to you or anybody else.

    Pals
    Mike

  7. #37

    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    Quote by Pompa Mike View Post
    Kilroy,
    I agree with everything you've said in this thread about the Flare Gun.

    I just have a huge problem with how that forum grades people.

    It's nothing personal to you or anybody else.

    Pals
    Mike
    Hello Mike, no problem. i am not so sure about the gun now, but I think you are right about that forum. The number of posts have nothing to do with your knowledge.
    There was just some very good photos of some WW2 silenced weapons, and what seems like valid info there.

    Regards, Steve

  8. #38

    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    Hi Steve, any updates on your flare pistol?

  9. #39

    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    Quote by Jason L View Post
    Hi Steve, any updates on your flare pistol?


    Hi Jason, no updates yet.

    Steve

  10. #40
    sportee
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    Default Re: 9mm LP42 Flare Gun & Schalldampfer What is This?

    I havent read the whole thread here...just the first page and kinda skipped to the end...so this might have been mentioned already.

    This looks to me like a pair of line throwing attachments. The "suppressor" thingy in the holster is male threaeded (same as the 9mm barrel insert that is in the pistol).

    There were a number of line throwing attachments made for most of the german flare guns at the time. The attachment screwed onto the muzzle of the gun and held the launching charge. They were ususally ignited by a 9mm Knall blank.

    Hope this helps.

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