An automatic rifle for the collection "one shudders"

[ian]

adrian i seem to be saying nothing to you but thanks tonight

[ian]

My team seized about 50 of these in iraq we got the british army to run them over with a chalanger lent against a curb ended up like flet bannanas.

We ran out of oxy/aset cutting up AK47's and Draganovs

[Adrian Stevenson]

Here you go Reg: My friend Baz in NZ's website has all you need to know:

DP-27 Disassembly

[ian]

the bolt and carrier are remonisant of the bren but with a mg34 style locking mech

[m3bobby]

Hi Ian, in answer to your two previous questions: mess with a deact in anyway is an offence.

Dummy Bren barrels are or were available.

Cheers, Ade.

I'm not condoning messing with a proofed Deac, but as the Law stands, its not an offence to mess with your deac. The offence is tampering with the proof stamps and in the case of the cert, copying a cert is a fraudulent offence (You could even say that photocopying your own cert for the reason of "Keeping a copy safe", is also fraud, just like photo copying money or a Tax disc).

If you were to mess with your proofed deac, then you loose that definet defence to prosecution, and it would be down to the courts to decide if it once again became a firearm. A long and expensive wayto go I would think. Again, I would advise no one to mess with there gun, but the law is really ambiguous (all areas) and I think the Govenment use this to their benefit, thats why I think its inportant people actually understand the law as it stands.

If anyone is really intrested, I can cut and paste the Definition of a Deactivated weapon from the Home office Guide to Police on Firearms. Its not long.

[Adrian Stevenson]

As always, better safe than sorry

Cheers, Ade.

[ian]

m3bobby yea could you do that please

[m3bobby]

Heres the deact def, if you get really board and can't sleep, look at this link

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publ...df?view=Binary


De-activated firearms
2.12 Section 8 of the 1988 Act provides that,
unless it can be shown otherwise, a firearm
which has been de-activated to a standard
approved by the Secretary of State so that it
is incapable of discharging any shot, bullet or
other missile, is presumed not to be a firearm
within the meaning of the 1968 Act and
therefore is not subject to control if it bears
a mark approved by the Secretary of State for
denoting that fact. The 1988 Act requires that
one of the two Proof Houses or some other
person approved by the Secretary of State has
marked the firearm and certified in writing
(that is, provided a certificate) that it has
been de-activated to the approved standard.
No other person has been approved for
this purpose.
2.13 De-activation specifications were first
set by the Home Office in 1989. New
specifications came into force on 1 October
1995 but are not retrospective. Therefore, a
gun de-activated prior to 1 October 1995 to
the old specifications remains de-activated for
legal purposes.
2.14 The 1995 specifications encompassed a
substantially greater range of firearms design,
and are generally more stringent than the
preceding (1989) standards.
2.15 The revised specifications enable
alternative standards to be agreed on a caseby-
case basis for the class of weapons listed
in the Home Office publication “Firearms
Law – Specifications for the Adaptation of
Shot Gun Magazines and the De-activation of
Firearms”. Any alternative standards will be
equally stringent but will allow the weapons
to retain some of the essential features
required by collectors. The new specifications
allow for agreement on alternative standards
to be an on-going process.
2.16 Section 8 of the 1988 Act is an
evidential provision and does not preclude
the possibility that a firearm which has
been de-activated in some other manner
may also have ceased to be a firearm within
the meaning of the 1968 Act. For example,
guns held by museums that were recovered
from wrecked ships and aircraft may be
corroded to the point that they cannot be
fired. This should not be confused with
wear or missing parts that can be replaced.
The final arbiter of whether the article fulfils
the definition of a firearm at section 57(1)
is a Court.

[jimpy]

All this talk of deacts, live firers etc, reminds me of the fun and games that I had some years ago with the "knowledgeable" people at the AIR WEAPONS club that I was in at the time.
I had a .22 Weirauch break-barrel air rifle fitted with full sling and field telescope, they stoppedme shooting with that sight unit and said that I would either have to use the normal iron sights OR get a set of "competition sights" fitted. The MAJOR problem came when the "management" said that ALL weapons were going to be chronographed. OK so far, except when it came to putting mine over the chronograph, mine went off the scale with every pellet put through it, knocking it straight into class 1 firearms. Funny why I was asked to either leave the group or stop using my existing rifle. No prizes for guessing which way I jumped, I had the rifle for another 5 years before I gave it to my brother.

Sorry for hijacking the thread guys.

Regards etc

Ian

AKA: Jimpy

[Reg]

Thanks for the DP stripping info guys, ill have a go later! should be fun.

M3Bobby, cheers for the de-act info also, but I wont try to strip it with an oxy torch and milling machine LOL

Reg