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Bought an old Webley MkI

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    I paid a lot of money for this but it was something I wanted, I have always liked Webley revolvers and could not resist it. The fact that it's classed as antique and does not appear on any goverment data base makes it feel nice and warm. It has it's original finish but the screws were buggered. I managed to restore the worst of them without losing the proof marks , there are proof marks all over this thing. I think the arrow on the top strap shows that this was a Navy gun. I ordered 100 .455 cases and a british web holster but will have to wait till next week before they arrive. Can hardly wait to shoot it.





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    Very nice 'Bird's Head' Webley, Mick !

    It looks to be in excellent shape !

    Question: How could it be classified as 'antique' when it is able to fire relatively
    modern center-fire ammunition - is this because of where you live ?

    In Canada, only flintlocks, pin-fire, percussion and 'Dewat' guns are considered
    antiques with no need for licensing.
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    Quote by Walkwolf View Post
    Very nice 'Bird's Head' Webley, Mick !

    It looks to be in excellent shape !

    Question: How could it be classified as 'antique' when it is able to fire relatively
    modern center-fire ammunition - is this because of where you live ?

    In Canada, only flintlocks, pin-fire, percussion and 'Dewat' guns are considered
    antiques with no need for licensing.
    Where have you been Dave ? It's classed as an antique in Canada because it made prior to 1898, it's a prescribed antique. No licence required to posess, anyone can own it.


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    That slays me !
    It is really on the fringe ! No mention of .455 there at all !

    If it were a tiny .22 it would require registration and a license !

    What year was your Webley made ?
    I know the model year is 1887.
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    Quote by Walkwolf View Post
    That slays me !
    It is really on the fringe ! No mention of .455 there at all !

    If it were a tiny .22 it would require registration and a license !

    What year was your Webley made ?
    I know the model year is 1887.

    No mention of 45acp or 44 special etc etc either.

    My MkI was made in 1890. MkI's II's and III's are to the best of my knowledge all made before 1898.

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    There may be other things that come into play, like velocity and the fact
    that it handles modern 'cartridge' ammo. There are vague loopholes
    that may get you into serious trouble.


    I'd be wary of who I showed it to........
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    Read the law. There is no mention of velocities or modern ammunition.

    If I were not 100% certain that it was legit I would not have bought it as an unregistered gun, and I would not be posting pictures of it here for all to see.


    Just for the record, I am an approved RCMP fireams verrifier and firearms manufacturer.

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    As a point of interest the big screw at the front of the wings is dished (if that's the right word ). It's designed to be removed with a coin rather than a screwdriver. I would never have noticed if If the screws had not been buggered. The cylinder can be withdrawn when the screw is removed.

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    Mick, it is a really great piece.

    I now have to find one for myself................!
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    There are quite a few for sale in the US, and the dealers know there is no problem shipping them to Canada. If you buy one there you can be guaranteed to get your money back and more if you sell it here.

    Here's a MkIII advertised as Canada OK

    Webley Mk III .455 Canada OK Nice Bore NO RESERVE : Antiques / pre-1899 at GunBroker.com


    Interstingly he also has a MkI one the same as mine but shaved for .45acp which will lower the value a bit.

    Webley Mark 1 ANTIQUE .45acp Rare Navy Mdl NITRO : Antiques / pre-1899 at GunBroker.com

    I was searching to find out what the 2P proof marks at the back of every chamber stood for, he claims they are nitro proof markings as I was hoping they would be. This makes me very happy.

    Another thing that pleases me is that it is not stamped England. From what I can make out it was a reqirement of American import regulations that guns imported from abroad were marked this way. Mine was either imported to the US by a dealer before these regulations came into place or it was brought over as someones personal property. Either way it is an unmessed with original British Navy Webley MkI.
    Last edited by Mick; 09-05-2010 at 08:53 PM.

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