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Indian Enfield Cavalry Carbine - Real or Repro? Help Please.

Article about: Good Afternoon, I recently purchased this carbine at auction. It was catalogued as 'Indian Native percussion cavalry carbine' and looks very similar to the 1867 Enfield Bengal Cavalry Carbin

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    Good Afternoon, I recently purchased this carbine at auction. It was catalogued as 'Indian Native percussion cavalry carbine' and looks very similar to the 1867 Enfield Bengal Cavalry Carbine issued to Indian troops after the Indian Mutiny. It is a smooth bore and has no date or proof marks which make me think it is a repro or later copy, but I am not sure. Any help in identifying the piece would be much appreciated.
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    Looks to be a modern reproduction-has no age to it and the wood is far too unmarked for an issue weapon-screws are modern as well-the Enfield lettering is poorly aligned etc etc.

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    You need to check this gun and make sure that it is an inert replica. Although it is smooth-bored, it cannot be held on a shotgun cert because of the length of the barrel - it would be classed as a section 1 firearm. I am assuming that you are a UK resident?
    Author of... 'Belfast Diaries: A Gunner In Northern Ireland'... 'A Tough Nut To Crack: Andersonstown.. Voices From 9 Battery Royal Artillery In Northern Ireland'... 'An Accrington Pal: The Diaries of Pte Jack Smallshaw, September 1914 To March 1919'.

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    Yes, UK resident. I was assured by the auction house that it does not require a license as it is a percussion piece for which the black powder required to fire it can only be bought under license itself. Is this not correct?

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    Following on from the last post. I have checked with the auction house and the piece has had the barrel drilled and as such is a de-commissioned non firing piece, so no need to worry on the licensing side. They have also said that it is a period example with some restoration and modern additions.

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    Quote by lithgow View Post
    Looks to be a modern reproduction-has no age to it and the wood is far too unmarked for an issue weapon-screws are modern as well-the Enfield lettering is poorly aligned etc etc.
    not sure why my post didn't go thru but I agree with Lithgow. Wear and patina is not consistent with a 150 year old weapon. Especially the stock. The edge of the stock where it meets the metal parts appears to be machine cut as well. But just my opinion.
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    I would hazard a guess that it is a total reproduction. The stock is far-too good for it to be a period piece. If it were an original gun it wouldn't have needed decommissioning, as it would have fallen under the Section 58 rule covering the ownership of obsolete calibre weapons. Section 58 weapons do not require a licence if the intention is to own them as a curiosity. That aside, it is still a nice copy of the carbine.
    Author of... 'Belfast Diaries: A Gunner In Northern Ireland'... 'A Tough Nut To Crack: Andersonstown.. Voices From 9 Battery Royal Artillery In Northern Ireland'... 'An Accrington Pal: The Diaries of Pte Jack Smallshaw, September 1914 To March 1919'.

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    Quote by andytee View Post
    Following on from the last post. I have checked with the auction house and the piece has had the barrel drilled and as such is a de-commissioned non firing piece, so no need to worry on the licensing side. They have also said that it is a period example with some restoration and modern additions.
    I would see no collector value in it given the new parts and restoration. Did they disclose this before the auction? If not I think you would be in your rights to back out. Unless you are happy with it as is.
    "Please", Thank You" and proper manners appreciated

    My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them

    "Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)

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    No it was not disclosed prior to the auction but I am happy with it as a nice curio replica. It is going on the wall in my man cave.

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    All that matters is that you are happy with it. But MAP is correct, the auction house should have disclosed to you that it was a reproduction. But as long as the price reflected this you are OK.
    Author of... 'Belfast Diaries: A Gunner In Northern Ireland'... 'A Tough Nut To Crack: Andersonstown.. Voices From 9 Battery Royal Artillery In Northern Ireland'... 'An Accrington Pal: The Diaries of Pte Jack Smallshaw, September 1914 To March 1919'.

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