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Lend-Lease No. 4 Mk. I* Rifle

Article about: Hello, all! This is the result of my quick trip to the gun shop to pick up some ammo for the Memorial Day weekend... For \\$200... WHY THE HELL NOT?! Please correct me if I am wrong, but It's

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    Default Re: Lend-Lease No. 4 Mk. I* Rifle

    In relation to the bayonet, Savage produced a spike version which will be marked with their logo

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    The Savage marked pig stickers look like this, and it would have had a frog that looked something like this, there were 6 variations of frogs I think, i'd have to check my books, but I know there was a No6 frog.

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    There was a third marking, the large S without the box around it, but I haven't found that one yet. The spike bayonet had 4 variants, the No 1 which was a cruciform and forged from 1 piece, The No II which was forged from 1 piece of steel, and plain round. The No II* which was 2 pieces of forged steel, the spike welded to the socket, and the No III, of whcich the socket was all welded castings, 7 of them, and the blade was welded to this managerie. There were also about 5 different scabbards for the spike bayonet, so you have quite a few variations to chase if you wanted to collect them all hehe
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    Paul

    47th MP Co/47th Inf Div 1983-1988
    583rd Ord Co 59th Ord Bde Muenster, W Germany
    1988-1990
    Looking for P37 ammo pouch with No4 bayo frog

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    Nice rifle Joe, looks all original with matching numbers. I have a 1942 dated savage no4mk1* as well in similar condition.If you didnt know savage no4mk1*s had a few modifications to simplify production..... two groove barrel, the cut out to remove the bolt and the flip 300/600 sight.

    does your rifle have a two groove barrel? also does it have a manufacture date.

    Savage marked bayonets are relatively easy to find, I also managed to get a savage made canvas action cover as well. The action covers are easy to spot they have a huge square s on them.

    great price by the way

    regards Paul

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    Thanks for the responses, everyone!

    Pete, I already have my eye on a Savage MKII bayonet on ebay.

    Paul, Yes, my rifle has a two groove barrel. I can't see a manufacture date.

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    the date is usually on the butt socket below the serial number, i cant see it in the photo you have there.... maybe its ground down.

    heres a photo of my rifle, its in excellent cond. except for the rather ugly wood removal done by a target shooter. also the savage marked action cover

    regards Paul
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    Hi Paul,

    The manufacture date hasn't been ground down, I've read that from late 1943 until 1944 for Savage stopped marking their Enfields with a date stamp.

    Since my rifle has a 72C serial number, it's probably a 1943.

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    You have a beautiful rifle, Paul! Is it live, or has it been deactivated?

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    Quote by lithgow View Post
    PS-the sling appears to be the standard web pattern introduced to replace leather examples during WW1-the buff colour is post WW1-yours appears to have been modified by removing the brass/steel keepers and being sewn at the ends to keep it on the riifle permanently-a civilian modification as the sling was meant to be removed for blancoeing (whitening for parade)or tensioned tight, again for parade use.
    How would I go about installing a proper sling?

    Can you tell if anything else is missing from my rifle?

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    Step 1-remove the existing sling by cutting it off or slitting open the stitching on the ends and Step 2-obtain a web sling-readiliy available especially a late war or postwar model (be careful not to get the 'Jungle carbine/L1A1 SLR' model as this is shorter than the Lee Enfield No.3 or 4 sling. See the pics above for fitting on the rifle-it's pretty simple compared to the nightmare of Springfield/Garand slings.

    PS -As far as being complete, apart from the cleaning kit, sling and bayo, you could get a canvas action cover, the grenade discharger cup, armourers tools etc but the actual rifle has all its functional parts.
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    Quote by GIZMO8Z View Post
    Hi Paul,

    The manufacture date hasn't been ground down, I've read that from late 1943 until 1944 for Savage stopped marking their Enfields with a date stamp.

    Since my rifle has a 72C serial number, it's probably a 1943.

    I didnt know about the dates being stopped. Your Savage looks complete with nothing missing that i can see.
    My rifle is live but i dont shoot it any more, i think these days i would rather preserve it.
    As for the sling they are easy to install, you feed the brass ends through the sling attachments and the prongs hook back onto the sling. I have been told that the correct way is to have the prongs facing out( see photos). but I see a lot of enfields with the prongs facing either way.
    My sling is Canadian from ebay, they come up all the time,
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