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NEW UK/EU Deactivated firearm legislation Dec 2019

Article about: The Firearms Regulations 2019 Something to try and get youíre head around. The legislation created on the 28th October and laid before Parliament on the 31st October before coming into effec

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    Oh man really got you guys over a fence. Some of the nicest doubles with ornate engraving have come from England. Even over here many states are restrictive like mine concerning gun permits. Not all but some. Wishing you well and hope you get wealthy enough to make the move! I would consider Arizona if I were you. Best regards!

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    Quote by BrodieBartfast View Post
    It has never concerned me personally, as I have never had much of an interest in recreational shooting. It's more hassle than it's worth.

    B.B.
    And therein is the point of heaps of useless legislation and reams of redundant paperwork that do nothing to make anyone safer. But, if it discourages one from being interested in the shooting sports or gun ownership, the lords and ladies who rule are quite enamored of them.

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    And don't think it will stop there, once they have made it impossible for law abiding citizens to own a de-activated gun, they still have to make new laws to keep us "safe". They will just have to find something more ridiculous to regulate.

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    At what seems to an informed commentary on all this in the media - see: UK Home Office: We will register thousands of deactivated firearms with no database • The Register

    The background and context is helpful, it still appears very wooly on what/if you're expected to do come 12 Dec.

    I am expecting the DWA/dealers to help past, present and future customers navigate this situation from 12 Dec with informed counsel and guidance given that they need our custom, and we, the public that buy from them, need information on staying within guidelines where these apply. In fairness, they have done this to date, and will surely do so for this once they themselves have consulted legal experts and industry experts.

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    Quote by MG42UK View Post
    At what seems to an informed commentary on all this in the media - see: UK Home Office: We will register thousands of deactivated firearms with no database • The Register

    The background and context is helpful, it still appears very wooly on what/if you're expected to do come 12 Dec.

    I am expecting the DWA/dealers to help past, present and future customers navigate this situation from 12 Dec with informed counsel and guidance given that they need our custom, and we, the public that buy from them, need information on staying within guidelines where these apply. In fairness, they have done this to date, and will surely do so for this once they themselves have consulted legal experts and industry experts.
    Very interesting. Looks like a right minefield. You have to send an email ‘registering’ your guns but they’re not held on a database that anybody can actually check. We’ve got until 2021 so I guess we’ll have to wait and see. We can only hope that they either have other things to worry about and leave it as a legal mess which prevents any changes to our guns or somebody decides that there are bigger things to worry about and scraps the registration aspect (I can’t see them changing the specification for deactivated guns or amending the transfer aspect).
    Ultimately I don’t really care if I have to register my guns or not or the fact that I can’t sell them, I just don’t want to pay to keep hold of something I have had legally for years

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    Quote by Chrish124 View Post
    And don't think it will stop there, once they have made it impossible for law abiding citizens to own a de-activated gun, they still have to make new laws to keep us "safe". They will just have to find something more ridiculous to regulate.
    And this is made all the worse by the fact that it has absolutely zero effect on that which may be considered by the public at large as "gun crime" ie bad guys shooting good guys. The real and insidious gun crime that truly needs to be acted upon is nothing to do with de-acts bar the VERY few cases were someone is too thick to be regarded a serious criminal and takes the most difficult route which will surely get him caught and we already have sufficiently robust legislation to deal with him.

    If it is any consolation I would bet money on the idea that 99% of police officers have absolutely no clue about any of this and are only concerned about crims with "shooters" in the time honoured meaning of the phrase. I include specialist firearms officers in this too!

    As was mentioned further up the thread; the powers that be are more concerned with appearing to the soft skinned liberals as if they are taking positive action and in doing so garner the magical serum of "votes".
    In actual fact the general public do not give a toss about this (unless whipped into a frenzy by scaremongers) because it doesn't affect them and actually has nothing to do with that criminality that represents genuine badness and harm to the innocent!

    Frankly, I despair.

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    Going off subject a bit here, is it still legal in the UK to own fully functioning antique/vintage firearms?
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    Quote by Gunny Hartmann View Post
    Going off subject a bit here, is it still legal in the UK to own fully functioning antique/vintage firearms?
    Yes it is... providing that you have no intention to acquire ammunition to fire them, and they are obsolete calibre (section 58). But due to the criminal fraternity obtaining - and using them in crime, it is only a matter of time before certain weapons will be at the very least section 1 firearms.
    Author of... 'Belfast Diaries: A Gunner In Northern Ireland'... 'A Tough Nut To Crack: Andersonstown.. Voices From 9 Battery Royal Artillery In Northern Ireland'... 'An Accrington Pal: The Diaries of Pte Jack Smallshaw, September 1914 To March 1919'.... 'A Salford Pal: Pte Thomas Jay.'

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    And here lies the problem. For every 1000+ Genuine collector you have one muppet like this. Would a collectors register stop idiots like this? Probably not. Should everybody be tarred with the same brush? Definitely not. Will they be tarred with that brush? Most probably! Do the police overact? Sometimes. Could you recognise a live gun from a deact or replica when your adrenaline’s pumping and you have to make split second decision? I would challenge anybody who says ‘yes’.
    If they can smuggle 30 people in the back of a lorry into this country how many live guns could be brought in. I don’t have the answers but whilst these morons live amongst us it doesn’t do our cause any good.

    Moment police are confronted by man with fake AK47 | Daily Mail Online

    (And before anybody gets overexcited and says it’s a replica, the article makes reference to a ‘decommissioned’ uzi)

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    I think if the law can be shown to protect genuine collectors and isnít a creeping anti-deact vehicle, it will get widespread support. So if by registering your deacts and being compliant you are afforded some form of legal protection for this hobby, and the law comes down hard on the crims and dic@heads like the guy in a the paper itís all good. But the current use of laws to just penalise the law abiding whilst the others just do what they want doesnít work.

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