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No 5 MK1 "Jungle Carbine"

Article about: by sawman Hi sitges, Nice Jungle Carbine. I would'nt mind having one to go alongside my SMLE. M14 is right about the M95's recoil. The last time I fired mine it was pretty rough on my should

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    sitges 1990,

    Sitges would not be the Spanish town south of Barcelona...if so ...I have some great memories of that place back in the late 60s.

    This is a Jungle carbine that has a lot less character than your gun.

    David
    Wow, this is clean. How's the bore? Do you shoot it?

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    sitges 1990,

    Back in 1967 I was travelling with a German buddy; Sitges was a place I have great memories of.

    Neat place.....I guess you have a better reason to remember it than I do. (A Spanish bride.)

    We were on our way south and got caught up in the 7 day Israeli war and got stuck in Tunis.

    I painted a Swiss Cross on the van and it all worked out well at the end of that story. (I had English plates on the vehicle at that time which was not very helpful.)

    David


    M14sRock,

    I suspect the bore is in pretty good shape...it has been fired ...but very little.....although... enough that my shoulder remembers this gun.
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    Hi David, that darn rifle looks mint. It really is a beaut. So did you guys cross over at Morocco, across the straight. Pretty amazing story. You wouldn't recogize Sitges now. Very modern with thousand of condos built up on the hills. It is gorgous, I talked to my wife about moving over there, but I've still got a nine year old boy, so it's gonna be years. But, then I could meander through Europe hunting down WWII stuff. Now that's a deal.

    Jay

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    Sweet looking carbines! I saw one at a gun show last week - probably should have grabbed it but have hit the limit of spousal tolerance for the time being. '44 date and mostly original - the rear sight had been changed. Didn't look at the bore...might have caused me to buy it!!

    I lived north of Tunis, close to Carthage, in '88-'89 - assigned to the Defense Attache office with duty at the State Department's Foreign Service Insitute. It was my immersion training as an Army regional specialist - Middle East/North Africa - and I spent my time honing my Arabic and travelling across North Africa and through the Middle East. What an experience.

    Thanks for sharing your carbines! I will have one in my collection someday!!
    MarkV
    COL, U.S. Army (Ret.)

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    Sitges1990

    Back in May 1967 Sitges was a charming little coastal town devoid of any of the condo developments that you are referring to….I am sure it is still a great place to spend time.

    I met a German fellow in Sitges and he joined me to share the cost of the gas.

    Took the ferry from Algeciras (Spain) to Ceuta (Morocco…not far from Tangier)
    The war broke out in early June 67…we did not know anything about this at the time.

    Eventually arrived in Algiers and loud speakers in the streets were squawking about something…we still didn’t know what was happening.
    My Renault 4L van had English plates which I later realized was why were searched a few times.


    Arrived in Tunis just after the British Embassy had been burned…and caught a ferry to Palermo in Sicily….where we finally found out about the war.

    The world was a different place in those days.

    Sometime after that I did the overland trip from Europe to India and spent a lot of very enjoyable and interesting times in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and India.

    My how things have changed since then…..I am glad to have had that opportunity.
    Young and full of “piss and vinegar” I guess.

    David

    MarkV,

    Spousal tolerance is a distinct reality in this collecting game.
    I am sure you enjoyed your time in Tunisia and throughout North Africa.
    And if you honed your Arabic....how good is that.

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    Some more photos of the markings on this 1945 dated Jungle Carbine.

    David

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    Many years ago I bought a No.5 bayonet for this carbine (photos shown below.)

    I have not really thought about this subject for years.

    My late father bought this gun back in the mid 60’s and I think I gave him this bayonet for Christmas at some point.

    I realize that history has been “somewhat” kind to this "1945 dated" gun….but I also realize that I have a post war "1946" dated bayonet.

    This is what I have recently learned;

    Wartime production was carried out by four manufacturers: Wilkinson Sword Co, London - 188,354; Viners Ltd., Sheffield – 42,000; Radcliffe – 75,000; and Elkington & Co. Ltd., Birmingham – 10,768.

    Wilkinson marked their No. 5 bayonets with the initials “W.S.C.” and/or their dispersal code “S294”. Viners marked theirs with “VNS” or their dispersal code “N79”. Radcliffe (about which very little is known) marked theirs with their dispersal code, “N187”. Elkington marked theirs with their dispersal code, “M78”.



    An unknown quantity were produced post-war at the Royal Ordinance Factory, Poole.


    The bayonet I currently own fits into this category ….I think.


    Post-war ROF, Poole bayonets are marked with a “P” inside a small circle. (My bayonet in photo #1....I think.)


    I have asked a local militaria dealer to keep an eye open for a wartime manufactured bayonet with a scabbard and frog….in his travels…..and I am not in a hurry.

    I understand that they are not easily found.

    Who knows what might turn up in time?

    David

    These are the notes relating to the bayonet in my inventory record. (Done some years ago)

    Bayonet for No.5 carbine, shows a 1946 date I think on the ricasso.
    On the hilt above the release button BB4580---- F5 (over) B with a Broad Arrow mark on top of the F5.


    If some could add some more intelligence to this subject….it would be greatly appreciated....where does the BB4580 come from.

    Was that a specific carbine serial number in 1946 ?
    This is not really my field of collecting.
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    A 1946 dated bayonet on a 1945 dated carbine.
    Other photos also show the markings on the 1946 dated bayonet.

    David
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    That is a great bayo for your mint condition carbine David. It's even greater that you have something from you dad and know the history. I have been looking for several years to find a war dated bayo for my #5. I really just wanted one to match the year "1945" with negative results. You've sure been doing your research. Keep up the good work!

    Jay

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    Thats some nice wood, I've got 2, a 45 dated and a 47 dated, the 45 dated has dark wood like the one in the photo but my 47 dated has very light yellow wood and is unissued.


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