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Article about: I'm a beginner collector and picked up a range of things while travelling Europe. I'd appreciate your help in identifying this helmet, who would have worn it, period of manufacture, thoughts

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    I'm a beginner collector and picked up a range of things while travelling Europe. I'd appreciate your help in identifying this helmet, who would have worn it, period of manufacture, thoughts on overall condition, etc.

    *The first and last of the four photos were taken in portrait format. They automatically displayed in landscape, and I don't know how to change this.

    Seeking information on the following helmet

    Seeking information on the following helmet

    Seeking information on the following helmet

    Seeking information on the following helmet

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    WW1 M1915 (?) French Adrian helmet, I think the badge is for the engineers?

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    As said, a WW1 M1915 Adrian Helmet with an engineers badge, sometimes a stamp in the dome of the helmet to the manufacturer or sometimes giveaway features like how the two brim sections are joined.

    Matt

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    Again confirming it is an M15, French Adrian helmet with an Engineers badge. It is a very nice example with an original badge, there are many repro badges out there so you have done well. In addition to that the absence of rivets joining in the visor and neck guard point to this being earlier manufacture.

    I recommend signing up for this website for much more information on these helmets.

    World War Helmets - Reference de casques de 1915 a nos jours.

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    Thanks for the information everyone, I have a few more questions if you don' t mind:

    -Is anyone able to tell me how I can rotate the images I've uploaded?

    -Would this be a steel or tin helmet?

    -I was under the impression that the French were the first to issue steel/tin helmets, but I've also read it was the Germans. Could someone clarify the timeline?

    -Does the acronym "M" or term "Adrian Helmet" signify anything? I'm assuming 1915 means the year of issue.

    -What does the crest at the front with the initials "RF" mean?

    -What was the responsibility of an Engineer during this period of time? What would their tasks have been during the war?

    -User Tinhat mentioned this was probably an early issue because of the absence of rivets. How many issues of this helmet were released?

    Thank you again.

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    for image rotation, the way I do it is open your image using Paint 3D and save as a jpeg - it's a hassle but it works. Lovely helmet BTW.

    RF is for République France
    Click to enlarge the picture Click to enlarge the picture Seeking information on the following helmet  
    Regards
    René

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    -Would this be a steel or tin helmet?
    It's made from steel, tin wasn't used unless as an alloy predominantly steel

    -I was under the impression that the French were the first to issue steel/tin helmets, but I've also read it was the Germans. Could someone clarify the timeline?
    With respect to standard issue on a large scale it was the French in Feb 1915, most countries has some prototype protection before but not widely issued

    -Does the acronym "M" or term "Adrian Helmet" signify anything? I'm assuming 1915 means the year of issue.
    M is the abbreviation for Model and generally identifies the year of design or release

    -What does the crest at the front with the initials "RF" mean?
    Republique Francaise

    -What was the responsibility of an Engineer during this period of time? What would their tasks have been during the war?
    This was an interesting question I hadn't put much thought in to before, a quick search came up with the 7 corps of the Engineering Regiment

    - the balloonists: they fly the aeronauts during the Great War. These military balloons served to carry the mail and were also observation posts;

    - the artificers: they have the task, with the help of explosives, to prevent the progress of the enemy. They must also defuse and neutralize enemy charges;

    - the railways: this specialty makes it possible to build railways to connect the battlefields to the rear front;

    - the electromechanicians: they are the specialists charged to supply the electric current in the camps and the forts. They are solicited on all installations using electrical energy.

    - the pontonniers: they are in charge of setting up on bridges (rivers, rivers, ...) bridges in order to allow their crossing by the armies;

    - the sapper-miners: they have a double function, to carry out the work of undermining or trenching but also to dig underground works allowing to reverse the enemy positions with the help of mines and counter-mines;

    - telegraphers: they deal with telephony and military telegraphy. They allow the transmission of information between military units. Before the creation of the Weapon of Transmissions, the Genie was in charge of the training and the management of the future sappers-telegraphists.

    These seven specialties reflect the motto of Genius: " Sometimes destroy, often build, always serve ".


    -How many issues of this helmet were released?
    Almost impossible to tell, this would require dedicated research into manufacturers and design history. 2,000,000 helmets were made in the first year 20,000,000 during the war


    Steve

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    Quote by reneblacky View Post
    for image rotation, the way I do it is open your image using Paint 3D and save as a jpeg - it's a hassle but it works. Lovely helmet BTW.

    RF is for République France
    The saved image on my computer is already in portrait the right side up. However, after I uploaded it using the forum image host, it turned sideways. Is there anyway to rotate the image in the forum image host before uploading?

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    Quote by JL81 View Post
    The saved image on my computer is already in portrait the right side up. However, after I uploaded it using the forum image host, it turned sideways. Is there anyway to rotate the image in the forum image host before uploading?
    you still have to save it via paint 3D
    Regards
    René

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    Quote by Tinhat View Post
    -Would this be a steel or tin helmet?
    It's made from steel, tin wasn't used unless as an alloy predominantly steel

    -I was under the impression that the French were the first to issue steel/tin helmets, but I've also read it was the Germans. Could someone clarify the timeline?
    With respect to standard issue on a large scale it was the French in Feb 1915, most countries has some prototype protection before but not widely issued

    -Does the acronym "M" or term "Adrian Helmet" signify anything? I'm assuming 1915 means the year of issue.
    M is the abbreviation for Model and generally identifies the year of design or release

    -What does the crest at the front with the initials "RF" mean?
    Republique Francaise

    -What was the responsibility of an Engineer during this period of time? What would their tasks have been during the war?
    This was an interesting question I hadn't put much thought in to before, a quick search came up with the 7 corps of the Engineering Regiment

    - the balloonists: they fly the aeronauts during the Great War. These military balloons served to carry the mail and were also observation posts;

    - the artificers: they have the task, with the help of explosives, to prevent the progress of the enemy. They must also defuse and neutralize enemy charges;

    - the railways: this specialty makes it possible to build railways to connect the battlefields to the rear front;

    - the electromechanicians: they are the specialists charged to supply the electric current in the camps and the forts. They are solicited on all installations using electrical energy.

    - the pontonniers: they are in charge of setting up on bridges (rivers, rivers, ...) bridges in order to allow their crossing by the armies;

    - the sapper-miners: they have a double function, to carry out the work of undermining or trenching but also to dig underground works allowing to reverse the enemy positions with the help of mines and counter-mines;

    - telegraphers: they deal with telephony and military telegraphy. They allow the transmission of information between military units. Before the creation of the Weapon of Transmissions, the Genie was in charge of the training and the management of the future sappers-telegraphists.

    These seven specialties reflect the motto of Genius: " Sometimes destroy, often build, always serve ".


    -How many issues of this helmet were released?
    Almost impossible to tell, this would require dedicated research into manufacturers and design history. 2,000,000 helmets were made in the first year 20,000,000 during the war


    Steve
    Hi Steve,

    Thanks for your response. I had a few more questions, and wanted to clarify a couple that were misinterpreted.

    -Does the term "Adrian" have any meaning to these helmets?

    -It appears to be a Spartan soldier on the front. What is the meaning of this?

    -When I had asked about how many were issued, what I meant to say was, how many versions were released? You had suggested this was an early make as "the absence of rivets joining in the visor and neck guard point to this being earlier manufacture." Is there information on how the helmet evolved during the war and what those changes were?

    -How many different soldier units were issued this helmet? I know I've seen one for those who were in tanks, this one is for engineering, how many other different "job titles" (for lack of a better word) were issued these?
    Engineers, infrantry or soldier, tank

    -Would I be correct in saying I'm in possession of the first ever issue of steel helmets?

    -Can anyone recommend a type of helmet stand for display purposes?

    J.

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