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    Hi all,

    Thanks for accepting me to this wonderfull group of people.

    Maybe one of you could help me to find out more about a WW1 Brodie helmet I have for some time now.
    Its marked BURYS D/08 and a makers mark I believe (see photo). What I want to know is from which year this helmet is and was BURYS the only maker with a mark/symbol ? Thanks. The helmet has also no sand paint on the shell which most of them had.
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    Hello and welcome to the Forum , nice helmet . I'm sure someone here can help you with your question .
    Cheers Chris

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    Bury's is the steel supplier and not the maker, not all helmets had the makers stamp either, often just the steel suppliers - typically one or the other, and usually for batch and quality control reasons.
    Steel suppliers:

    FS, Thomas Firth and Sons (sept 15 thru 19)
    HS, Hadfields Ltd. Jan 16 thru 1919
    BS, W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. Jan 16 thru 19
    MS, Miris Steel Co. Ltd March 16 thru 17

    Until August 1916 mosty of this steel was supplied to Joseph Sankey and Son Ltd. for pressing into Helmet shape. The remaining 75,000 sheets went to Bleriot Ltd in London or Army & Navy Cooperative.


    Sheffield Muntions committee suppliers

    A) Helmet Manufacturer

    D, James Dixon & Sons Dec 15 till ?
    H, W Hutton & Sons Dec 15 till
    HH, Harrison Bros. & Howson Ltd. Dec 15 till
    M, J&J Maxfield & sons Dec 15 till
    R, John Round & Sons 1916
    V, W&E Viener Dec 15 till

    Steel Supplier
    A, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd 16-18
    F, Thomas Firth and Sons 16 till 18
    O, Samuel Osborne & Co Ltd. 16 thru 18
    V, Vickers Ltd 16-17
    B, Bury's & Co. 16-18

    Codes on helmets should read M/A That is Helmet made by J&J Maxfield & sons from steel supplied by Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd followed by a lot (heat) code for the steel.

    Sheffield only produced small quantities a week, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd was known to mark helmets with "Imperial".



    Helmet manufacturers not part of the Sheffield Munitions Committee Group:

    Army & Navy Co-operative Society Sept 1915 thru Jan 1916 (Not Marked)

    Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd. Oct 15 to Oct 16 (No marks except Steel suppliers)

    Bleriot Ltd. May 1916 to October 1916 (No marks except Steel suppliers)

    Hadfields Ltd. Aug 1916 to 1919 (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Aug 16 thru 19

    W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. Aug 1916 thru 1918 (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Aug 16 thru 18

    Miris Steel Co. (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Sept 16 thru 17.



    Other marks not 100% identified:

    MLS ?
    FKS Possibly Thomas Firth & Son
    M&S possibly Maxfield & Sons.

    All research on manufacturers done by Marcus Cotto

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    This is what I have, not sure where I got it, probably the same place

    FS, Thomas Firth and Sons (sept 15 tot 19)
    HS, Hadfields Ltd. (Jan 16 tot 1919)
    BS, W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. (Jan 16 tot19)
    MS, Miris Steel Co. Ltd (Maart 16 tot 17)

    A, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd (16 tot 18 )
    F, Thomas Firth and Sons (16 tot 18 )
    O, Samuel Osborne & Co Ltd. (16 tot 18 )
    V, Vickers Ltd (16 tot 17)
    B, Bury's & Co. (16 tot 18 )

    D, James Dixon & Sons Dec 15
    H, W Hutton & Sons Dec 15
    HH, Harrison Bros. & Howson Ltd. Dec 15
    M, J&J Maxfield & sons Dec 15
    R, John Round & Sons 1916
    V, W&E Viener Dec 15
    Steel suppliers:

    FS, Thomas Firth and Sons (sept 15 thru 19)
    HS, Hadfields Ltd. Jan 16 thru 1919
    BS, W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. Jan 16 thru 19
    MS, Miris Steel Co. Ltd March 16 thru 17

    Until August 1916 mosty of this steel was supplied to Joseph Sankey and Son Ltd. for pressing into helmet shape. The remaining 75,000 sheets went to Bleriot Ltd in London or Army & Navy Cooperative.


    Sheffield Muntions committee suppliers

    A) Helmet Manufacturer

    D, James Dixon & Sons Dec 15 till ?
    H, W Hutton & Sons Dec 15 till
    HH, Harrison Bros. & Howson Ltd. Dec 15 till
    M, J&J Maxfield & sons Dec 15 till
    R, John Round & Sons 1916
    V, W&E Viener Dec 15 till

    Steel Supplier
    A, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd 16-18
    F, Thomas Firth and Sons 16 till 18
    O, Samuel Osborne & Co Ltd. 16 thru 18
    V, Vickers Ltd 16-17
    B, Bury's & Co. 16-18

    Codes on helmets should read M/A That is helmet made by J&J Maxfield & sons from steel supplied by Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd followed by a lot (heat) code for the steel.


    Sheffield only produced small quantities a week, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd was known to mark helmets with "Imperial".



    Helmet manufacturers not part of the Sheffield Munitions Committee Group:

    Army & Navy Co-operative Society Sept 1915 thru Jan 1916 (Not Marked)

    Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd. Oct 15 to Oct 16 (No marks except Steel suppliers)

    Bleriot Ltd. May 1916 to October 1916 (No marks except Steel suppliers)

    Hadfields Ltd. Aug 1916 to 1919 (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Aug 16 thru 19

    W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. Aug 1916 thru 1918 (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Aug 16 thru 18

    Miris Steel Co. (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Sept 16 thru 17.

    MLS ?
    FKS Possibly Thomas Firth & Son
    M&S possibly Maxfield & Sons.


    ZC-305 thought to belong to Columbian Enameling & Stamping

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    Quote by asterperious View Post
    Bury's is the steel supplier and not the maker, not all helmets had the makers stamp either, often just the steel suppliers - typically one or the other, and usually for batch and quality control reasons.
    Steel suppliers:

    FS, Thomas Firth and Sons (sept 15 thru 19)
    HS, Hadfields Ltd. Jan 16 thru 1919
    BS, W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. Jan 16 thru 19
    MS, Miris Steel Co. Ltd March 16 thru 17

    Until August 1916 mosty of this steel was supplied to Joseph Sankey and Son Ltd. for pressing into Helmet shape. The remaining 75,000 sheets went to Bleriot Ltd in London or Army & Navy Cooperative.


    Sheffield Muntions committee suppliers

    A) Helmet Manufacturer

    D, James Dixon & Sons Dec 15 till ?
    H, W Hutton & Sons Dec 15 till
    HH, Harrison Bros. & Howson Ltd. Dec 15 till
    M, J&J Maxfield & sons Dec 15 till
    R, John Round & Sons 1916
    V, W&E Viener Dec 15 till

    Steel Supplier
    A, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd 16-18
    F, Thomas Firth and Sons 16 till 18
    O, Samuel Osborne & Co Ltd. 16 thru 18
    V, Vickers Ltd 16-17
    B, Bury's & Co. 16-18

    Codes on helmets should read M/A That is Helmet made by J&J Maxfield & sons from steel supplied by Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd followed by a lot (heat) code for the steel.

    Sheffield only produced small quantities a week, Edgar Allen and Co. Ltd was known to mark helmets with "Imperial".



    Helmet manufacturers not part of the Sheffield Munitions Committee Group:

    Army & Navy Co-operative Society Sept 1915 thru Jan 1916 (Not Marked)

    Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd. Oct 15 to Oct 16 (No marks except Steel suppliers)

    Bleriot Ltd. May 1916 to October 1916 (No marks except Steel suppliers)

    Hadfields Ltd. Aug 1916 to 1919 (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Aug 16 thru 19

    W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. Aug 1916 thru 1918 (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Aug 16 thru 18

    Miris Steel Co. (Prior to Aug 1916 this firm only supplied steel no mark other than origianl Steel supplier mark) Sept 16 thru 17.



    Other marks not 100% identified:

    MLS ?
    FKS Possibly Thomas Firth & Son
    M&S possibly Maxfield & Sons.

    All research on manufacturers done by Marcus Cotto
    Excellent post.

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    Miris also sometimes stamped their full name.

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    Thanks for the information lads. A great help.

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