1939 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuzes 1er Klasse 1914 fake or not?

[TWS]

Sorry, but L/22 is not a spange maker. Look at my thread at the beginning of this forum and you will see all known makers. Jim

I would tend to side with you. However, the mixed data coming from various established people in the hobby (as detailed in my earlier post) is interesting. Not the first time that's happened about various items that's for sure.

[MAP]

Interesting thread. Not the first time knowledgeable collectors disagree. But given the differences of opinions from those who specialize and put significant time researching these...I would err on the side of caution.

[thecyclist64]

It's alway annoying when there is no consensus on such a thing. I would hate to think of rare and valuable items of historical interest being rejected as fake, or worse, being thrown away.

The firm still exists today. Has anybody ever asked them if they made the spange? Accorning to their website (in German) they received their LDO licence in 1940

Chronik - DMM - Dresdener Medaillenmunze

[TWS]

It's alway annoying when there is no consensus on such a thing. I would hate to think of rare and valuable items of historical interest being rejected as fake, or worse, being thrown away.

The firm still exists today. Has anybody ever asked them if they made the spange? Accorning to their website (in German) they received their LDO licence in 1940

Chronik - DMM - Dresdener Medaillenmunze

Interesting that they even include that period on their website. I have been to several still-existing firm's websites and there is often a convenient gap in the company history during the years 1933-1945.

Someone could reach out to them but I see several possible outcomes:

1. They call and the person at the firm they reach is about 24 years old and has no idea what the Spange is, nor cares to. Maybe they'll take a message to convey the question to someone higher-ranking or maybe they will act as if but really won't because some weirdo is asking about an item from the TR period.
2. The person answering the phone is a bit put off right from the start because they don't want to discuss the "NS-Zeit" as many Germans I knew referred to the TR period. They politely but coldly say they cannot help and usher the caller off the phone.
3. The caller gets lucky and reaches someone both knowledgeable and without hang-ups about discussing that time period. There's probably a chance, esp. based on the fact the company did not gloss over that period in their company history on the web site like so many others do. They even detailed how the boss was killed in the Allied bombing raid on Dresden and much of the main building was destroyed.

[rbminis]

Interestingly, Sebastian Bianchi lists Glaser & Söhne (L/22) as a documented maker of the Spange to the EKI.

Iron Cross

You also have to remember, that was posted about 20 years ago.
I have not seen an accepted original L/22 marked spange to date.
Ralph.

[TWS]

You also have to remember, that was posted about 20 years ago.
I have not seen an accepted original L/22 marked spange to date.
Ralph.

Sir, I think it's fake too. I just found it interesting that a couple specialists had previously stated L/22 was valid. I deliberately pointed out that Maerz & Stimson > all others, so in other words I wouldn't be buying any L/22 Spangen.

[Ullergaard]

Sir, I think it's fake too. I just found it interesting that a couple specialists had previously stated L/22 was valid. I deliberately pointed out that Maerz & Stimson > all others, so in other words I wouldn't be buying any L/22 Spangen.

I feel a little bad for selling mine as original!!
But I didn't know better..
And honestly thought it was original.
But surely looked 100 times better then the one started this thread

[TWS]

I feel a little bad for selling mine as original!!
But I didn't know better..
And honestly thought it was original.
But surely looked 100 times better then the one started this thread

I believe you and I agree.

Unfortunately when I dusted off my collection after my 11-year hiatus and slowly went back through everything, I discovered a few stinkers. Mainly badges. I sold them all off - as copies of course. I'd bought them in the 1990's so in some cases I was able to get the same dollar amount as what I'd paid at the time of purchase. Of course, I still lost out as that doesn't account for inflation or the increased value real items would have appreciated to over those intervening years.

[thecyclist64]

Interesting that they even include that period on their website. I have been to several still-existing firm's websites and there is often a convenient gap in the company history during the years 1933-1945.

Someone could reach out to them but I see several possible outcomes:

1. They call and the person at the firm they reach is about 24 years old and has no idea what the Spange is, nor cares to. Maybe they'll take a message to convey the question to someone higher-ranking or maybe they will act as if but really won't because some weirdo is asking about an item from the TR period.
2. The person answering the phone is a bit put off right from the start because they don't want to discuss the "NS-Zeit" as many Germans I knew referred to the TR period. They politely but coldly say they cannot help and usher the caller off the phone.
3. The caller gets lucky and reaches someone both knowledgeable and without hang-ups about discussing that time period. There's probably a chance, esp. based on the fact the company did not gloss over that period in their company history on the web site like so many others do. They even detailed how the boss was killed in the Allied bombing raid on Dresden and much of the main building was destroyed.

My preferred method would be to use the email contact address at the bottom of their page and politely introduce myself as an amateur historian with an interest in German medals. I would explain that I was trying to research to origins of an L/22 Spange and explain that I had no interest in politics/National Socialism and would be grateful to them for any information they could supply me with.

I remember a thread from a long time ago, where a member wrote to Souval an received a reply regarding them re-using their old L/58 (?)
Number on post war replicas.

[rolandsfpr]

When we talking about collectors against specialists not long ago in FB Iron Cross page myself and other guy from this forum had conversation with D.Maerz about EK2 maker 113 H.Aurich .The thing was that most of you guys who are in EK2 will agree that Dietrich keep putting 113 like he calls it early frame in his books as original cross ,all of the collectors call it Aurich fake.So Dietrich insist that it was a good cross but even here when i search for it its come up as fake and when our forum guy explained why are collectors think that way and asked a few good questions we never get answers back from Mr.Maerz,so sometimes it is confusing ,you dont know who to trust!