Eisernes Kreuz / Iron Cross - 1st Class (clasp pin)

**kaypee80** · 06-09-2010, 06:43 AM

Iron Cross - 1st Class - Clasp Pin - Good Condition - In Fitted Iron Cross Box - NO M.M.

Pics below <item #132>

Can anybody confirm what this is + authenticity + value?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 06-09-2010 06:43 AM

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**militarymania** · 06-09-2010, 06:49 AM

item looks good,,,350-450,,,

**Walkwolf** · 06-09-2010, 09:02 AM

What is with the strange 'brazing' marks, or whatever on the backs
of these two crosses you've shown ? They appear repaired or unfinished !

Looks like a mismatch of box and cross, as there are condition
issues with the cross and none to hardly any wear/staining
on the box, if it is indeed a good EKI set..........

Let others have a good look at these crosses, both the two cased
EKI's and two WMK's, and get a few more opinions.

**fabri** · 06-09-2010, 09:44 AM

Cross is original , it 's an unmarked Klein & Quenzer , untouched for 70 years because that black patina but where stayed I don't know , strange back side look.
Case seems ok but I 'm not so sure, pics don't let see any detail... it came not originally with that cross IMO.

Edit : my thought was this patina as an old patina but I have many doubts after seen the other one..

**Adrian** · 06-09-2010, 10:19 AM

This is a very strange one. I agree with Fabri about the front being a K&Q but I've never seen such unusual heat marks on the back. It looks like the frames have been apart and then been resealed.

**kaypee80** · 06-09-2010, 02:58 PM

It's hard to get clear pics of some of the details on these things but is there a good comprehensive guide out there to detecting fakes? I've seen a few but do you guys have a favorite guide that you could share with me?

Does a magnet test help detect fakes?

Thnx

**Woolgar** · 06-09-2010, 03:44 PM

by kaypee80

It's hard to get clear pics of some of the details on these things but is there a good comprehensive guide out there to detecting fakes? I've seen a few but do you guys have a favorite guide that you could share with me?

Does a magnet test help detect fakes?

Thnx

The best guides you could possibly have are Adrian, Fabri , Danny et al !

And they cost very little

I have a few books at home but forums like this are priceless!

Nick

**Bill Garvy** · 08-07-2010, 04:33 PM

by kaypee80

Does a magnet test help detect fakes?

No. Early Iron Crosses had non-magnetic cores, i.e. brass, zinc, and so on. . .

**militarymania** · 08-07-2010, 04:45 PM

hi Bill,,,does this include the 1813/1870 issues as well?...

**Bill Garvy** · 08-07-2010, 04:53 PM

Good question, for which I don't know the answer. . . Let me correspond with a more experienced Iron Cross collector who may know, and I shall report back. . .