My closed thread

[ColinD]

Use of German terminology......... what does EK stand for exactly? And it's not 1914 if the bar says 1939 is it?
Thanks for the reminder why I stopped posting in these forums, more hassle than it's worth.
C

[Vocht]

what

[rbminis]

The requests to use the correct terminology in the titles have been in place for 12 years already.

The cross in question is supposed to be a 1914 cross, with a 1939 bar, that has a 1957 cross applied to it?
If you think it is a 1957 cross, then post it in the Bundeswehr section, that way you don't have to put the effort into using the correct terminology in the title.
I'm not really a cross collector but, IMO it's not an original cross, bar, anyways.
Ralph.

[Watchdog]

Use of German terminology......... what does EK stand for exactly? And it's not 1914 if the bar says 1939 is it?
Thanks for the reminder why I stopped posting in these forums, more hassle than it's worth.
C

EK = Eisernes Kreuz (Iron Cross) which any serious collector of the genre would know.

As for the other points they all relate to specific variants from different periods which is also something a serious collector would know. A novice would / should ask for (and would without a doubt receive in this forum) help in that regard but you clearly don't think that necessary .

If you "stopped posting" where did this thread come from? Also if it is "more hassle than it's worth" why did you bother?

The membership sits at all levels of knowledge and expertise but one thing most of us have in common is the wish to share and learn from information exchange. We do have standard operating procedures (I deliberately don't call them rules but you take a view) so if these do not suit your agenda might I suggest FaceBook?. However, if I misunderstand please accept my apologies, you did subscribe after all!

Regards

Mark

[ColinD]

EK = Eisernes Kreuz.... exactly my point! so why have I not used German terminology? If I wrote IC fair enough but I didn't I used German terminology in the title which as you point out any serious collector would know.

It's a 1957 award.... look at the bar!!

The other 1939 bar/cross combos with swaz are always in the WW2 sections of forums as far as I remember so apparently no swaz, no allowed. A bar representing an award given during WW2 belongs in here (IMO)

Whatever, saves me the membership renewal money
C

[ColinD]

Here is the award representing a second 1939 WW2 EK award that people in here can't get their head around. Unbelievable.

[Watchdog]

Whatever, saves me the membership renewal money
C

So hostile yet still here. That's what takes effort to get one's "head around" and is "unbelievable".

[kabl]

Hello Collin,
Always calm and yes, sometimes something comes across incorrectly/roughly to the other person via the translator.
I'm not an expert on the Iron Crosses, but I see an EK 1 (1914) with a repeat (bar) from the TR era (3rd Reich), which again is a 1957 version without a swastika.
I can't tell you whether this is original, but since there is no swastika on the "repeat bar", it could only have been added after 1957.
I think that's where your conflict lies with the piece?
I hope that I explained/wrote it correctly and that the translator didn't make a mess of it.

The German Order Law of 1957 says yes;
Medals from before 1933 may continue to be worn by the wearer.
Medals from the period between 1933 and 1945 may only be worn without the National Socialist emblems (swastika, SS rune, etc.), namely:
the civil medals (e.g. fire brigade or mine rescue awards) without restrictions;
from military awards (from the First and Second World Wars), including medals awarded by former allied states, only those that are expressly listed in the law. These include: The Iron Cross, the Silesian Eagle, the Baltic Cross, the wounded badge, the air raid badge, the state service and loyalty badges as well as the other activity and performance badges.
Medals with National Socialist emblems may not be worn. They may not be manufactured, offered, offered for sale, sold or otherwise brought into circulation. (OrderG § 6 paragraph 2)

Therefore, in my opinion, wearing the EK 1 from 1914 in connection with the repetition of 1939 in the change of the award in accordance with the 1957 law would be possible


Greetings



kabl

[kabl]

Hello
I'll try to show it in a picture...
The Iron Cross 1st Class for soldiers as worn/awarded until 1918

Now the implications for soldiers who fought in the war 1939-1945
Donated by Adolf Hitler on September 1, 1939, at the same time as the renewal of the Iron Cross of 1939. The award was given to holders of the Iron Cross 1st Class from 1914 who accomplished an act that again justified an award with the already received class of the Iron Cross. These repeat braces were donated for both 1st class and 2nd class wearers. The 1st class clasp has a vertical pin or screw disc and was worn over the Iron Cross in 1914. Clasps were also soldered directly to the Iron Cross 1st Class on the upper arm of the cross.

And now the wearing method according to the 1957 law of the Federal Republic of Germany for veterans of both world wars with this award





Best regards
kabl

[Watchdog]

Yep, no real excuse for not being able to gat one's "head around" that!

Regards

Mark